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Former good articleHolocaust victims was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Text conflicts with source re: number of Jews killed in Poland—leading to edit war

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Here is the source given, which gives two sets of numbers for Jewish deaths in Poland:

  • from U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: Pre-War Jewish Population 3,350,000; Number of Jews Killed 2,770,000-3,000,000; % of Jewish Population Killed 90%
  • from Yad Vashem: Pre-War Jewish Population 3,300,000; Number of Jews Killed 2,900,000-3,000,000; % of Jewish Population Killed 90%

The text stated:

the Nazis murdered 3.3 million Jews, or 90 percent of its Jewish population.

Which is obviously incorrect. I corrected the text, but The Banner has reverted it twice, asserting "the quote was accurate", which it objectively is not

I don't know how to deal with this. This is as black-and-white as it gets. Surely there is an admin watching this page, as it's been locked? 11:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, what is wrong with the original text?
Original text: (...) the Nazis murdered 3.3 million Jews, or 90 percent of its Jewish population
New text: (...) the Nazis murdered 3 million of its 3.3 million Jews, about 90 percent of its Jewish population.
The only change is that the text is more complex IMHO. The Banner talk 15:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The original says 3.3 million died. The corrected text says 3 million. Are you saying you didn't even read the text before reverting it twice?
The corrected text should actually say "up to 3 million", as the source gives a range of 2,770,000-3,000,000. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are your arguments so flimsy that you need personal attacks straight away? The Banner talk 22:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ADMIN INTERVENTION, PLEASE.
The Banner is not engaging in good faith, and seems bent on trying to provoke something. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can say that of you too. With my last edit I simplified the text, correcting it the desired 3 million. What do you want more? The Banner talk 08:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was nothing even remotely "confusing" about it, and it took calling for an admin for you to finally give in. Now we have you on record admitting that my correction was correct.
You show no sign of contrition, and every sign that your trigger finger is ready to revert anything else you don't like. Looking through your talk page history, you appear to have a history of this behaviour. Perhaps you're used to people backing down when you make a scary face? Perhaps you should waste people's time elsewhere, like Reddit or 4chan. Your "contributions" here today have been infuriatingly negative and damaging to the article. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And again your arguments are so flimsy that you need personal attacks. The Banner talk 09:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly the shit I'm talking about. You were black-and-white wrong, and even after admitting it, you're still spewing horseshit about "flimsy arguments". You are obviously going to be a continuing disruption at this article.
Do you get off on fucking with people? Because there's nothing else you can achieve with this disruptive manure. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could have settled the matter with removing two characters... The Banner talk 11:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2024

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There was 10.000 Slovenian victims of Holocaust. Please be respectful and put the right information there. So change “20.000 - 25.000 to 10.000”.

https://sl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holokavst 2A02:A444:4C2C:0:21D8:9B33:73B:DE0E (talk) 12:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have reliable sources for that? The statement on the Slovenian Wikipedia (not suitable as a source itself) is unsourced. The Banner talk 12:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, he's grossly misrepresenting what's written in the slwiki article. 10.000 Slovenes died in Auschwitz, not in whole holocaust. IP is falsifying stuff on both projects. A09|(talk) 20:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Slovenian victims too high

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Exactly 10.190 Slovenians died due to Holocaust. Why are they portrayed as one of the main target groups? BellatrixxxLestrange (talk) 12:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Slatersteven (talk) 13:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a sock of the above IP. Source seems to be slwiki, but OP is trying to falsify what is written on slwiki. A09|(talk) 20:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

number of Extermination camps

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Extermination camp only lists the 6 Polish ECs. If you correctly add Maly Trostenets in Belarus (like in this article), you should also add Bronna Góra as the EC 8.

See the German wikipedia here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernichtungslager#Im_Bezirk_des_Reichskommissariats_Ostland

Happy improving, 2003:FC:A71D:4916:B898:C4D2:117B:E18E (talk) 16:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6 million is misinformation

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There is no proof of 6 million Jews dying in the holocaust. Provide evidence or you will be labelled as pseudoscientific editors in the Wikipedia Community. 2600:100F:A110:AEA1:BDC2:5852:F09E:1239 (talk) 06:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to delete this and just ask you to read our article, then come back with an RS contesting this figure. Slatersteven (talk) 11:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]