Talk:Hot Rock & Alternative Songs

Hot Rock & Alternative Songs is a former featured list candidate. Please view the link under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. Once the objections have been addressed you may resubmit the article for featured list status.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 24, 2016	Featured list candidate	Not promoted

Hot Rock & Alternative Songs received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article.

Record Charts Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Record Charts, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to Record charts. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project's talk page.Record ChartsWikipedia:WikiProject Record ChartsTemplate:WikiProject Record ChartsRecord Charts articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Rock music Low‑importance

	Rock music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Rock music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Songs

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong articles

Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one Billboard Rock Songs → Rock Songs – Page was moved without consensus. It doesn't make sense to have a "List of X" when "X" doesn't have an article. G6 declined by pagemover, who feels that moving back is not uncontroversial — but as I said, the move was made unilaterally without consensus anyway. It seems like the mover is trying to WP:OWN what he thinks is the "right" title. None of the other Billboard charts have "List of [name of chart]" without "name of chart" also existing. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the move as stated, and oppose the current title as well. This is not an article about the general topic of "rock songs", but about a published chart containing rock songs. That other Billboard charts have articles like Alternative Rock is an indication that we have many mistitled articles, not an indication that this article should be moved to such a generic title. In my opinion, the proper format for such article titles is that employed at Mainstream Rock (chart), rather than the current or former title of this article. Accordingly, I would suggest moving to Rock Songs (chart); I don't think the present article title is correct, but I also don't think the move proposed above is an improvement. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I could support that if "Rock songs" by itself were a redirect to the rock music article, since it's feasible that someone looking for "rock songs" may look at the genre. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's nothing more than a list, so why shouldn't be named in line with other Billboard chart lists? Unlike Alternative Songs and Mainstream Rock (chart) articles with actual content, there's no overview of the chart that doesn't just serve as introductory background for the list, no difference (worse even) than any featured list. Rock Songs can also be redirected to Billboard charts#Rock; it doesn't mean a separate article has to exist just because there's a list. Just as appropriate is Social 50 redirecting to List of Billboard Social 50 number-one artists. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Rock song redirects to rock music and so should Rock Songs. Billboard Rock Songs could redirect here. My preferred title is List of number-one songs on the Billboard Rock Songs chart as that's what dominates the article. Rock Songs (chart) is an acceptable alternative however, especially if the article can be expanded to talk more about the chart itself, and not just list the #1 songs on it. Why was the chart introduced, who uses it, etc. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rock Airplay

We should include a separate column for Rock Airplay number ones! It'd be interesting to compare. icelandic hur ricane #12_(talk) 12:44, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Longest running songs list?

I've noticed Ride from Twenty One Pilots is still on the list at 4 in its 86th week. Should we list the longest runners on the chart? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azul120 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Songs

"Rock Songs" shouldn't redirect here, it should redirect to rock music. It is very US-centric to think most of the English speaking world would immediately think of a list of No. 1 songs on a Billboard cart rather than just rock songs in general. I don't see any evidence even US people would. Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 04:33, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Issue June 13

What's with the inclusion of r&b and pop songs this week Powfu,billie eilish,Tones and I,Benee,24 Golden and ashe I know Billie is on modern rock songs but neither of the others are rock songs at all if this going to continue i'm not going to update anymore as it is not a list of rock songs. DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 10:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of those songs have been on the "alternative" charts for weeks and Billboard is now incorporating them into the Hot Rock Songs rankings, thus the change of the name of the chart to Hot Rock and Alternative Songs. It's just more of Billboard deciding what genre songs belong to and not the fans of those genres. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 01:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one Billboard Rock Songs → Hot Rock & Alternative Songs – I opposed a similar move previously (see above) on the grounds that at the time the article was not much more than a list of the number ones on the chart with little context or content on the chart itself. While what's there now still amounts to a stub, and at some point, the list itself can be a stand-alone, I've reconsidered my earlier thinking. The move request itself comes from this article explaining the reason for the chart being renamed. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. New name of chart, this page should be re-named to reflect the new change. It also seems that Alternative Songs has been renamed to Alternative Airplay, based on the artist chart history pages. Daerl (talk) 03:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.