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Nilotic specifically?

Is it really the case that this term refers specifically to Nilo-Saharan speakers (and not e.g. Hausa)? That hardly sounds plausible. I tried searching the ref given (snippet view only unfortunately), the terms "Nilotic", "Kanuri", and "Songhay" turned up nothing of the kind, "Nilo-Saharan" did not appear at all. Megalophias (talk) 18:23, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree, this is most likely wrong, first of all, "nilotic" is an obsolete racial subcategory that was once used by the racialists to denote certain East African groups such as: Shilluk, Nuer, Dinka and Massai. The language group is still called Nilo-Saharan suggesting that there are also Saharan groups such as the Toubu people or Zaghawa people that bordered areas that are also populated by the Tuareg (the Tuareg homeland in Libya). But the Toubou people are considered a light skinned and war-like African people (like the Fulani) and they are Mohammedans, making them unlikely targets of post islamic era slave raids. It is more likely the Tuareg targeted other animist indigenous groups in the western Sudan (region) from near or beyond the Niger river. The people in those areas are with very few exeptions not Nilo-Saharan speakers but Niger-Congo speakers. Perhaps originally when the Tuareg lived exclusively in Libya, Ikelan meant their (enslaved) Nilo-Saharan speaking competitors from the Fessan and Tibesti mountains and further South into (what is now) Chad and then the Kanem-Bornu Empire, but as the Tuareg expanded into the western Sahara and Western Sudan (region) the term probably came to mean any (black?) enslaved person...? 88.152.222.53 (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)