Talk:Interstate 469

U.S. Highway movements in Fort Wayne

Is this right? I can't remember if U.S. 24 followed U.S. 30 or went around the other way on I-469. Also, does Indiana 37 end at I-469, or closer to Fort Wayne? —Rob (talk) 17:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

US-24 follows I-469 south, then west to I-69 near Fort Wayne International Airport. Before I-469 was built SR 37 continued southwest on the Maysville Turnpike, then turned west onto Stellhorn Road for about 5 miles. It then turned southwest again near IPFW before intersecting Coliseum Boulevard. From this point to SR 9/SR-37 split in Marion, SR 37 was unsigned, but followed Coliseum Blvd to I-69 south, then it turned into US-24 west to Huntington, where it followed SR-9 south to Marion.

After the completion of I-469, SR 37 was rerouted as an unsigned route along I-469, following it south and west from Exit 25 to I-69 near the Airport. From here it follows US-24 briefly along I-69, then southwest to Huntington, where it follows SR-9 as an unsigned route to Marion. The southern signed portion of SR-37 begins in Marion and continues south to Indy. User: wxstorm

Removal of stub

Why is this article a stub. The article is long enough to classify as normal page length. This article is like about 4 pages long, and they cover like enough important fact. I think we should just remove the stub tag.--Freewayguy (Webmail) 01:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Having a 2-sentence route description for a 30-mile Interstate is incredibly disappointing. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 04:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Not only that, it needs references. —Rob (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

This interstate is pretty much a flop of a highway. It doesn't carry all that much traffic (most of it carries less than 20,000 AADT). It was built too far away from the city so that it does not serve much local traffic at all, and it really takes you out of your way. It did help get the through trucks out of the city, but that's about all it has done. It is a freeway, but not designed to true interstate standards, due to lack of funding at the time. They built 31 miles for a paltry $121 million! The interchanges are terrible (almost all of them are tight diamonds). The US 30 and US 24 interchanges on the east side of New Haven are horrible! I-469: another Indianan highway flop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.2.173 (talk) 02:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Construction

@Red Phoenix:, I doubt I will review for GA, but growing up in the area I remember a botched construction project (maybe 2008 or so?) which was finally mostly fixed by 2012 or so I believe. I remember the right westbound lane was practically unusable, every few feet there were huge dips in the road. You can probably find some sources for it, the initial project was expensive and fixing it was expensive as well. Kees08 (Talk) 06:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, based on the location of the Wabash Erie Canal that they found, I am pretty sure there is a historical marker there now. I always wanted to stop there and check it out and never did...mostly because it was right off another highway. Not sure if it was significant enough, but there was also a windstorm that blew down a few signs that had to be put back up. Sorry for the probably useless information, just excited someone is writing about that region of the US for once! Kees08 (Talk) 06:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Kees08: There might be some info about the botched construction and windstorm, though I have to wonder if it's noteworthy; there are tons of articles about minor construction projects which wouldn't be worthy per WP:NOTNEWS. I too am always glad to find editors interested in the Northeast Indiana region, as I don't tend to meet a lot of them for where I usually contribute to Wikipedia. Red Phoenix ^talk 14:48, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will try to find information on the construction this weekend. I do not remember the specifics, but I do remember they messed up the entire highway, so it was a huge cost and not minor construction. I know people that live in the area as well, so I might be able to grab a picture if there are none on Commons now. Kees08 (Talk) 18:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Former/Current route maps

On the page for I-465, there is a map which shows the former routes of US/State Roads through the city, which were removed in the 90s in favor of the 465 beltway. Because Fort Wayne has a similar situation, being looped in by I-69 and I-469 with most state routes being removed within city limits, I think something like this would be a good addition to this article. If anyone has any recommendations on programs/methods to make a map like this, please let me know.

The map is here: map Jerry Is Bored (talk) 19:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It would be a neat addition, but it would also need a lot of context around what year the routes ran through the city and when they were truncated or rerouted. US 27, for instance, was rerouted from Coldwater Road on the city’s north side to Lima Road (south of SR 3) then onto I-69, and was later truncated to remove the entire concurrency with 69. Were SR 1 and SR 3 truncated not to be signposted around Fort Wayne before or after I-469’s construction? US 30 ran through Fort Wayne prior to the construction of the “circumurban” Coliseum Boulevard (modern day SR 930). Point is, we’d probably need more than a map to discuss this. We’d need to have sources that discuss these changes, and in the case of this article, specifically focused on how I-469 affected them. Red Phoenix ^talk 17:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, this is the big issue with Fort Wayne. With Indianapolis, it's pretty straightforward: the routes were signed through the city until somewhere in the 90's, and then they were removed. They also had minimal route changes during their tenure. A map of Fort Wayne would need one hell of a legend to distinguish between different routings of the same road. I'll try to whip something up that makes sense, but I imagine it would take a while more of both mapping and discussion before it could be properly added to the article. Jerry Is Bored (talk) 00:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps a couple of maps would have to be created representing different years, especially since US 24 was also looped around the opposite direction in the last few years to remove a wrong-way concurrency with US 30. Heh… it wouldn’t probably be encyclopedic but I’d love to see it as a time-lapse. Red Phoenix ^talk 23:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Some of these ideas would be better done if the previous routings were added to OpenHistoricalMap. There are ways to then display a map with a timescale slider to allow people to see how they've shifted over time. Most of that though is easier to do over on the AARoads Wiki, which has better integrations with OSM and OHM. Imzadi 1979 → 00:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not a reliable source by any means, but this link has an amazing collection of images of the official Indiana highway maps of the Fort Wayne area between 1920 and 1960. Nothing actually shows an inset of the city itself here, but there's enough around the county that shows what was running through Fort Wayne and what wasn't. If these are official state maps, finding year-by-year publications of these would be an amazing source for such a time lapse. Red Phoenix ^talk 01:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)