Talk:Isogloss

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Merge with Isograph article

hekk yeah do it

why should we do it in fact i belive that if we are to link both pages we need a strong and firm transition from point to point so we do not get our readers confused, also if we were to link them we need to know when to stop comparing the two, so we do not get them confused. that is all i have to say hope u all have a very happy christmas A.A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.183.234 (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's a good idea to merge the two. An isograph is clearly not closely related to the notion of the isogloss, as isograph relates to research in writing systems and typology whereas isogloss relates to dialectology, phonetics and sociolinguistics - all disciplines studying verbal forms. The two terms are not closely connected and merging them would only serve to confuse. Eculeus (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Eculeus. One is a function of written language whereas the other is a function of verbal language. From a linguistic standpoint they are vastly different considering elements going into each. Spoken language changes faster and has things like phonological variations which wouldn't be represented in an isograph that would in an isogloss. Merging the two would only confuse people... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.28.192.47 (talk) 07:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, this has been done nonetheless. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory definitions

The article intro has two different definitions of the concept: (1) a geographic area, and (2) a linguistic feature. Please remove one of them or explicitly state the relationship between the two definitions. -Pgan002 (talk) 05:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Usage in article still not clear. Intro says geographic boundary, body talks about linguistic features.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mention Centum-Satem isogloss

Under section "Examples", please mention (and briefly explain) the Centum-Satem isogloss, which is, according to the intro, the most important example. -Pgan002 (talk) 05:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient examples are confusing

In section Examples, there is a notation that may be unfamiliar to readers; for example, what is "/wld/" and what is "w > y"? -Pgan002 (talk) 05:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hella Nor Cal or Totally So Cal?: The Perceptual Dialectology of California

The hella/totally isogloss of Northern/Southern (or Greater/Lesser) California is a good example, and has been the subject of some interesting research:

"Hella Nor Cal or Totally So Cal?: The Perceptual Dialectology of California"; Mary Bucholtz, Nancy Bermudez, Victor Fung, Lisa Edwards and Rosalva Vargas; Journal of English Linguistics; 2007; 35; 325

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6492j904

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0075424207307780

I don't know their copyright status, but it has some hand drawn labeled maps that might be good for this article, if possible.

Cartman nationally popularized NorCal's "hella", but he made it clear which side of the hella/totally isogloss he stands on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6Ffukcsbw

Xardox (talk) 02:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please help to understand an example

“However, an individual isogloss may or may not have any coincidence with a language border. For example, the front-rounding of /y/ cuts across France and Germany, while the /y/ is absent from Italian and Spanish words that are cognates with the /y/-containing French words”.

I currently can’t get it. Can you please explain it to me as if I’m 5 y.o.? Azrozet (talk) 01:47, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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