Talk:Joey Bond

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Romanian Roma name of Jeo Ruv

@Biruitorul and Checkingfax:

Hello User:Biruitorul. First of all, I extend my congratulations for your wonderful accomplishment to make the amazing adventure of Wikipedia better. I respectfully undid the edit which stated that 'Romanian Roma don't have such names' (as Jeo Ruv). A quick search turned up some items of interest which indicate the name Jeo Ruv is quite common, to wit:

Romano Language
Romani-English Glossary
The Rom or Romany people language- Words of Iranian origin

It seems that popular mystery writers use the Roma name Ruv as well.

Also, this simple Google search turned up many references to the name Ruv, which does indeed seem to be a very common Romanian Roma name

I am a proud Polyglot and I am using my multilingual skills to make small contributions to this amazing encyclopedia. Romanian is not one of my six languages, but two of my Romanian speaking friends have confirmed that Jeo Ruv (Joe Wolf) is a very Romanian Roma name. Thus, I await your kind response, if you wish.

PS. ..hope you dont mind me Pinging a few Wikipedian associates to hopefully attract them to contribute to the discussion. @Corinne, Jerome Kohl, Robvanvee, Vipinhari, Bgwhite, StarryGrandma, and GrammarFascist: Merci infiniment! very best wishes, Natalie Natalie.Desautels (talk) 13:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, @Biruitorul:, for your kind response in the View History section. I give myself two days to find a quality reference for Mr. Bond's birth name; if unsuccessful, I'll remove. kind regards, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 15:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Biruitorul and Checkingfax:. Hello @Biruitorul: I found some references for Mr. Bond's birth name! They were right under my nose in Wikimedia Commons, under the Summary description of several photos and posters. All have a Universal Public Domain Dedication (all rights waived) duly assigned. You can find a few here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoey_Bond_'Tai_Chi_Vs_Technology'_Book.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoey_Bond_Magician_-_Magic_Castle_Certification.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJoey_Bond_Tai_Chi_Master.jpg

I have of course left the citation notice in place pending your perusal. I put the references next to the birth name in the infobox; ...looks a bit weird - needs a neater solution I think. best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 09:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Biruitorul, Checkingfax, and PRehse:. Hello again @Biruitorul:. User:PRehse just mentioned that 'descriptions of wikipedia image files is (sic) not a reference - just as Wikipedia itself is not a reference for Wikipedia articles (sic)' and I believe this is correct. But the information as to Mr. Bond's birth name, which is under copyright, is still undeniably there in the Summary description section of the photos. Would it be proper protocol to use the birth name without reference, knowing that the information is true? Otherwise, we'll just have to delete the birth_name field. Thanks in advance for your kind advice in this matter. best wishes, Natalie --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 09:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@PRehse: Thanks for your help! --Natalie.Desautels (talk) 09:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not everything has to be referenced - its preferable but the citation needed tag only points out that there is a greater need for that statement - there is no need to remove the birth name or really to keep it if someone truly objects. A good reference is usually text from a reliable third party and for that there is no copyright issue. I am assuming by copyright issues that the reference you want to use is an image file - which in itself is less desirable as a reference.

I have to point out that neither MDTEMP or myself have voted at this point in the AfD but like the nominator have pointed out the issues with the references in general. There really is not that much that could be considered WP:RS with the Tampa Tribune being the one possibility. Also if seems redundant to have something in the gallery when you use it as a reference (for example the magician certificate). It will be the references which determine notability - not who he performed for.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]