Talk:John Montgomery Cooper

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that American anthropologist, priest and sociologist John Montgomery Cooper established the Department of Anthropology at the Catholic University of America in 1934? Source: "By 1920, Cooper had returned to his primary career as a full-time faculty member at the Catholic University of America, where he established the Department of Religious Education, served as a professor of anthropology in the Department of Sociology, and eventually founded the Department of Anthropology in 1934."
  • ALT1:... that John Montgomery Cooper founded the academic journal Primitive Man, which was renamed Anthropological Quarterly in 1953? Source: "He was founder of the journal Primitive Man (Anthropological Quarterly since 1953)."

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan Camilleri

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 21:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. It meets start-class criteria for DYK, but I don't get any feeling about his anthropology work, as the emphasis is on his academic career at Catholic University. Your Encyclopedia Britannica source says much more about his views about Indians, as well as his writing and journal editing, which you don't mention in the article. I have added a "when?" tag to one sentence.
• The hook is not very hooky. If you take off the string of adjectives in the front, all you're left with is "Did you know that X=Y?" I think if you add more detail from the source you will have more detail with which to craft a better hook. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear User:Yoninah, I have expanded the article per your suggestions, addressed the tag, and created an alternative hook. I trust that this is helpful and will result in the approval of this DYK. Kind regards, Anupam^Talk 00:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Anupam: I moved around the presentation so it follows more logically instead of having his teaching and anthropological fieldwork all jumbled up. I also added more from the source. Here is an alt suggestion:
• ALT2: ... that John Montgomery Cooper advanced the theory that both South American and North American Indians were "marginal peoples" who were cultural relics from prehistoric times? Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear User:Yoninah, thank you for your reply. I appreciate you rearranging things. I am fine with the proposed hook if you are. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 22:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. Since I wrote the hook, we need another reviewer to finish up this review. Yoninah (talk) 22:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT2 looks good to me! jp×g 18:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of source

The article states "Cooper developed the theory that both the South American and North American Indians were "marginal peoples" who were cultural relics from prehistoric times". But the source doesn't mention any theory, let alone its development. It says "He viewed these peoples as having been pushed back into less desirable territories by later migrations and as representing cultural survivals from prehistoric times.". That's just how he viewed things, it's not a theory. Maproom (talk) 08:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)