Talk:John the Baptist

Mark does connect John to Elijah

John’s camel hair clothing and leather belt are specifically included in Mark 1:6 to show him as the successor to Elijah, who wore the same garb in 2 Kings 1:18. We should correct the sentence that states Mark is silent on the parallel. Assuming the relevant passages are a sufficient source? 2603:8080:1601:7D90:F127:E09:131C:761E (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

John the Baptist born November 12, 7 BC & died 27 AD

I tweaked the article to... John the Baptist "b. Nov. 12, 7 BC/12.11.747 AUC/20 Heshvan 3755 HC}}<ref]Luke 1:36 indicates that John was born about six months before Jesus b. April 17, 6 BC/17.4.748 AUC/29 Nisan 3755 HC, L. Morris, "John The Baptist", ed. Geoffrey W Bromiley, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1938–1958), 1108, M. Molnar, "The Star of Bethlehem: The Legcy of the Magi, 1999</ref]... d. 27 AD". 2601:583:681:8430:642C:408:6DD0:D00F (talk) 14:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

That is only one source. Other sources suggest far later dates for John the Baptist's death. Besides a 27 AD death date would have made it impossible for John the Baptist to have been alive in "the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar" (Luke 3:1) which is 29 or 30 AD.--174.99.238.22 (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes: it is ridiculous to give firm and precise dates for either. Johnbod (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

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John the Baptist is not related to islam and the prophet jousph son of Jacob is a completely deferent issue 102.61.195.131 (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Understanding Jesus’ Saying Related to John the Baptist Logically

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I have failed finding a source which explains logically (based on human’s logic) the very clear saying of Jesus {Matthew 11:11} “Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” Please correct me if the way I understood this saying is not logical. It happened that I used to be a rational independent man since I was teen (when I realized my independent existence). I am 74 now. I mean; for my own knowledge only, I used to look for the natural truths, scientific if related to the material world (limited by time and space) and personal if related to the spiritual realm (not limited by time-space). By doing this, I was able not to see a naive confused man whenever I look at a mirror. Jesus, in this saying, confirmed clearly that John the Baptist is the greatest Jewish Prophet. But what was the main mission of this greatest Prophet? It was to prepare the Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them. This implies that the main mission of all previous Jewish Prophets cannot be greater than of John the Baptist (always based on this saying). And, at the arrival of Jesus, this mission was fulfilled for good, right? Therefore, the Jewish teachings became, after Jesus’ arrival, much like the school teachings without which one couldn’t continue to join a university and be professional in a certain field. And, at best, his schoolbooks join his good souvenirs since he, the professional, can no longer see them as scientific references at work. By the way, some school teachings had to be made ‘incomplete’, if not ‘wrong’, to help the kids learn science in steps (on request, many examples could be presented). Also, Judaism, inspired from Heaven, was very important though for the ancient ‘kids of humanity’ only (our past ancestors). In fact, Jesus message that focuses on God’s Unconditional Love towards all others, good and evil, updated the Jewish teachings and let most of them be irrelevant, if not obsolete (this is also clear in some other Jesus’ sayings). I am afraid that, in general, saying a truth hurts some people in the least. But I have no intention to hurt anyone’s feelings. So, I understand fully if this truth should also be hidden (removed from this page). After all, “When in Rome, do what the Romans do”. KerimF (talk) 09:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC) "There hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist" does not mean "the greatest." While it certainly means there was no one greater, it also means that he was the equal of the greatest (if you are doing comparisons). Darlig 🎸 Talk to me 22:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC) @Darlig: KerimF has problems understanding that Wikipedia isn't a pulpit for preaching his own religion. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC) @tgeorgescu: I am sorry, I didn't know that talking logic is preaching a religion; not sharing knowledge with others to find out what could be true or false. But I am also aware already that unfamiliar logical ideas (not approved by the World's Elite) should be heard by the world as a sort of scientific blasphemy (as it happened to Galileo, for example). KerimF (talk) 04:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC) @Darlig:If I understood you well, I have to thank you for confirming that the missions of all Prophets were equal to the mission of John the Baptists' which was clearly to prepare God's people, the Jews, for the arrival of Jesus among them. But if my logical reasoning sounds wrong, I wish to learn what the real mission of the Jewish Prophets is (I hope it is explained somewhere in Wikipedia). KerimF (talk) 03:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC) The Real Mission of Jewish Prophets™ is not the business of Wikipedia editors, all Wikipedia editors can do is render notable theological opinions from WP:RS and WP:SCHOLARSHIP thereupon. It is not our business to search the truth through novel insights gotten from unstructured dialogue. And your constant meme of World Elite is preposterous. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC) @Tudor Georgescu: Thank you for admitting clearly that, to you specifically, Wikipedia is not a place to share KNOWLEDGE with others. On the other hand, I am very sorry that I hurt your feeling (not of anyone else in Wikipedia, it seems) by the expression "World's Elite". Yes, it is my fault, I forgot you told me since long and indirectly that you got the privilege to play the volunteer judge in Wikipedia. So, in order to please you, I should remember, from now on, not to use this expression to avoid bothering the peace in your heart (though you informed me today that you will block my contribution, or at best, you will delete whatever I may write on pages that are under your control, unless all WP pages are). In your subconscious, if you like a 'new' idea, you won't (cannot) see it as an advertising of any sort, otherwise, you have no choice but to see it violating WP-rules. So, I hope you got now what the World's Elite means for ordinary people as I. Finally, I am afraid that, we like it or not, this is life since always. As there are humans like me, Kerim, there are also humans like you, dear Tudor. And no one can change this natural fact even the ... you know. KerimF (talk) 06:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Simon Magus

What's the deal with the claim in the third sentence of paragraph 2; that the messianic figure John anticipated was "likely Simon Magus"? Simon Magus is mentioned nowhere else on the page and there does not appear to be any source for this claim at all. This claim is not made on the page for S.M. either. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I have never heard this claim made before, much less that it is "likely". SwensonJ (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)