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May 25, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 30, 2011. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in 1937, the slopes of Joppenbergh Mountain* were coated with borax for a summer ski jumping competition?*
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Mountain or hill?

Its name is "mountain" but in the text I think – by the principle that a Bombay duck is a fish – we should call it a "hill" (as the NYT does in one of the refs). Mountains are generally held to be at least 2,000 feet high and this one is not even a quarter of that. Ericoides (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the technical definition of what separates hills from mountains, but the sources consistently referred to Joppenbergh as a mountain. One NYT ref does use the word hill, but another NYT ref on the cave-in mentions the "mountain-side". The sources for its height and composition use the term "mountain" as well. --Gyrobo (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In Britain and Ireland a mountain is usually taken to be over 2000 feet, but even in America I thought 1000 feet was the threshhold. This is a pimple! :) Bermicourt (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fix typo or add [sic]

The title of one of the references is listed as "Ninety-Foot Jump Made On Skiis On Borax Track". If the misspelling of "skis" was a transcription error, it should be corrected, or if that's the actual title as it appeared in the source, there should be a [sic]. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added [sic], because that's how I have it written in my notes. I'll check the next time I'm at the Rosendale Library, though. --Gyrobo (talk) 22:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC) Thank you for nominating this article. I enjoyed it as a valuable addition to the Rosendale collection. No disamb. or invalid external links.[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

Disamb. links and external links check out.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
"when a new slope was built,"->"when a new slope was built on the mountain,"

Change "Central Hudson"->"Central Hudson Gas & Electric Corp."

"a skiing competition was held in January 1966."->"a ski jumping competition was held in January 1966."
Done. --Gyrobo (talk) 04:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
Footnote 30 needs a better citation format. How about, "New York Public Service Commission, Opinion No. 95-6, "Opinion and Order Granting Certificate of Environmental Compatibility and Public Need" (PDF), CASE 91-E-0529, 1995-05-23. pp. 1–2, 17–18. Retrieved 2011-04-18." - include the Opinion number and the case number.
Done. --Gyrobo (talk) 04:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Please state whether the sale to the OSI was consumated or is awaiting closing. Explain what "open space" conditions OSI would add to the deed when it sells the mountain back to the village.

The article is not clear whether the former mayor's parking lot is a part of the OSI land purchase or whether having the OSI land, future use of the former mayor's parking lot becomes unnecessary.
The sources don't say whether the deal is still being worked out, or if it is already over, and the sources also don't connect the former mayor's land with the current property. I'm hoping some future source clears this up, because I'm also confused about this. --Gyrobo (talk) 04:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
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No edit wars.
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a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Thank you for contributing the kiln photo. Copyright issues on all images check out.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
I am placing the article on hold so that you may address the above noted concerns. Racepacket (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on another Good Article. Racepacket (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jacobsen Rutger?

This name is very unlikely. By Dutch naming patterns it should be Jacob Rutgersen or Jacob Rutgers. You don't add a patronymic to your own name while keeping your father's name unchanged. Rmhermen (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By current Dutch naming patterns, or 17th-century ones?

Also, it's not uncommon around here in the Hudson Valley for Dutch names to have been corrupted or bastardized over the years, especially as Dutch faded from first-language use around the end of the 18th century (cf. Moordenaars Creek becoming Moodna Creek) or invented entirely to make a better story ("Kaaterskill" as the name of a stream and a mountain makes no sense in Dutch. Daniel Case (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Dutch names#Patronymics. It doesn't make sense for Rugter's son to be named "Jacob's son". Rmhermen (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I was trying to make clear, this information may have been recorded by people whose knowledge of Dutch was minimal, to say the least. It doesn't make sense, but as I noted above some of our Dutch toponyms don't make sense compared to actual Dutch, either. Daniel Case (talk) 13:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wait, I see what you're trying to say. Maybe the son got as a first name the name of someone else who'd married into the family tree? It seems to have been a common naming practice in the 19th century. Daniel Case (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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