Talk:Joseph Edward Duncan

This article was nominated for deletion on 9 July 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

A news item involving Joseph Edward Duncan was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 30 March 2021.

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Deletion

This page has been listed for deletion by one of Wiki's police. I would like to see this page saved on Wikipedia for the educational value. The information is truthful and relevant. People are learning about sex offenders and desire to make informed decisions on current legislation in their communities. By reading profiles or biographies of established offenders, readers are able to achieve a better understanding. jaimenote

I am not a "policeman." I am just a regular editor. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 06:50, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Looking back, I should not have made the, "Wiki Police" comment. This together with the statement offered to justify intercepting/blocking rather than assisting the development of this article were argumentative and curt. Though some might not agree, I worked hard on this article and did my research. I have a passion about the subject matter along with the educational potential of this specific case. I was offended by the abrupt and final nature of your response to my effort. I still think the article deserved better handling, but putting that aside, I want to fix whatever makes this a more interesting and appealing submission. I hope that you and the others are more satisfied while I continue to work atlistening more to constructive suggestions and less the too - easily stated - blank criticisms. jaimenote

Vfd vote failed due to no consensus at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Joseph_E._Duncan_III. --Woohookitty 20:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It should definitely be kept. Does anyone have any info on his previous crime(s)?

I don't think it should be deleted, but maybe some references would be nice? This was all over the news at the time, so I think it's notable enough, and the article is clearly written, but appears unsourced. 24.131.12.228 06:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The page should explain the two external URL's. Why are there two? How do they differ? Is he the writer of both? How does he write from prison?

He writes them by hand, mails to ghost blogger, who posts them exactly as written. (Annoyingly, the ghost blogger doesn't separates blocks of text into easier-to-read paragraphs. --Shultz III 08:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a source for this to show 1) that the blog is legitimate, and 2) that the police are reading it?

Alleged

Changed the intro from "serial killer" to "alleged serial killer," as required by WP:BLP. Per [1] he is yet to be tried. The confession to earlier murders is described in the newspaper as "alleged." Edison 18:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cold Case

"If charged and convicted he may face a life sentence in Federal Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado."

Wouldn't the abduction and murder of a child earn him a death sentence from the state of California? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a (talk • contribs) 23:43, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

The Fifth Nail

the fifth nail does still exist, the most recent update was on august 13th 2018 titled "No shit Sherlock"

I didn't read all of the two blogs, but i read a number of the posts on each, and the Wikipedia article doesn't give it enough credit. It's very insightful, compassionate, honest, introspective, and valuable as a means for society to reflect on the phenomenon of criminality and how/why we should regard criminals differently. The Wikipedia article basically just makes him sound like a sex offense advocate. In fact, the one post I read regarding sex offense was saying that the way we're treating it is wrong because it only serves to exacerbate the problem of sex crimes. Let's have a more balanced view expressed in the "The Fifth Nail" section, please. Inhahe (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Duncan was a child kidnapper. He killed a 10 year-old boy named Anthony Martinez which I want to be back to living because I pray for him and murdered a lot of the members of the Groene family. He murdered Brenda Groene, Slade Groene and Mark Mckenzie(Brenda's ex-wife). He kidnapped Shasta and Dylan Groene. Later, Dylan Groene got killed by Joseph Duncan. Shasta was still alive. He took Shasta Groene to a Denny's restaurant in Idaho. Someone noticed Joseph Duncan and then called the police. The police arrested Joseph Duncan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.145.85.248 (talk) 03:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another source

"Waitress: 'I picked her up and held her'." CNN. Saturday July 2, 2005. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and BLP

I have done a substantial amount of cleanup on this article, including placing sections in some logical order, and updating the article with more recent developments. Please remember that, as much as anyone with a conscience ought to detest this person, WP:BLP still applies, and any contentious information must be backed up with a reliable source. Additionally, per WP:BLPNAME we should avoid using names of living people mentioned in passing if it is possible to do so without losing context. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so shocked that there are people like him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessaleex (talk • contribs) 07:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eviction section?

How is the eviction of a victim and her father of any relevance in an article about the criminal? It reads as a very awkward and irrelevant addition.

I don't see any section about eviction, as of now (March 30, 2021) . But, I did see that section a day or two ago. It was (somewhat) relevant ... because the section preceding it described some type of charitable donations that provided a house for Shasta Groene. She did not live in the house, but allowed her dad to do so. And he was later evicted from the home. That's how I believe the story went. And the "tie-in" with the eviction was the setting up of a charitable fund for Duncan's victim (Shasta Groene) ... which provided her the house ... a house that subsequently sustained an eviction action. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]