Talk:Kalki 2898 AD

Prabhas on top

Prabhas should be credited 1st in the starring and cast section Aksh vats (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.tollywood.net/prabhas-and-nag-ashwin-film-going-to-be-costliest-movie-ever-made-in-india/# Here it is stated that prabhas will be the main lead im the film, so he must be credited on the top . Aksh vats (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aksh vats: Being the "main lead" is not the criteria here. Christopher Reeve is the lead of Superman (1978) but he's credited third. If you take Indian examples, Mohanlal is credited before Jr NTR in Janatha Garage (2016). Same way, Bachchan is credited before Ranbir Kapoor in Brahmāstra (2022). -- Ab207 (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Ab207 Please refer to this poster https://twitter.com/VyjayanthiFilms/status/1232571451972014080?t=3JsHayILP5mYGFihAJr71g&s=19

I think u dont have any reason not to credit prabhas 1st Aksh vats (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aksh vats: That's an old poster from Feb 2020 when Prabhas was the only cast member. The latest one from Apr 2022 obviously takes the precedence. In future, if you can find any evidence that Prabhas is credited before Bachchan, then it can be changed. Until then, the current order should remain. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes ! That's fine ,waiting for the title announsment and first look poster ,thank you. Aksh vats (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

You are wrong to use an cast announcement photo. That is just letting the public know Amitabh is joining the cast. It's not an official poster, and shouldnt be used like that. 71.244.142.238 (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

If an supporting character gets a announcement poster does that mean they are the lead? Like come on man 71.244.142.238 (talk) 09:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Please see the order in this poster. Not Bachchan's casting announcement yet he is mentioned first.

Your perception of lead or supporting roles hardly matters here. There are numerous instances where so called supporting actors got the top credit (examples given above). -- Ab207 (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Amitabh Bachan’a accident

Amitabh bachan was injured during shooting. Shouldn’t that be included? RoundStrider (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

Amory ryan (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

have a look on budget of movie mentioned it doesnt make sense and edit it properly

Corrected. NaanReady (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 10:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Change "Languages Telugu Hindi" to " Languages Telugu Hindi Tamil Malayalam Kannada English Chinese " Navaneeth gajula (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Xan747 (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Language

@Kailash29792:@Ab207: What does the director mean by some scenes shot in Hindi. This is a Telugu film. It sounds as if many scenes will be shot in only Telugu. DareshMohan (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 and Ab207: This source clearly says that - "It was simultaneously shot in Telugu and Hindi and will have a wide release in India and around the world.". I've restored it after some newbie suer and possible IP sock of them removed it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

It is made in telugu

Please, change the Indian film to Indian telugu film. It is our pride and our production with our director. Originated in telugu. Vishwa Krish (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2023

Request for adding actors in cast section as per imdb source Nameiscs (talk) 06:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. see WP:IMDB, not considered reliable as it is user generated Cannolis (talk) 07:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Title

Does the title include a hyphen/dash? The article title currently is "Kalki 2898 AD", but it is referred to as "Kalki 2898 – A.D" throughout the article with both an endash and a period/full stop after the letter "A".  — Archer1234 (t·c) 18:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Changed to Kalki 2898 AD throughout.—indopug (talk) 03:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Produced in Telugu film industry

Please stop editing out Information regarding this. The movie is produced by Telugu film industry, and is filmed in both Telugu & Hindi. Director Nag Ashwin already cleared this himself in the interview with Collider in LA. The film is primarily shot in Telugu with important scenes being reshot in Hindi. Link of the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcnaqIgOR2M Timestamp : 8:10 @Gotitbro Rishabmalu (talk) 02:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I had only made a singular edit regarding the reinsertion of non-standard content in the article, tagging that as "persistent disruption" shows a lack of understanding as to what those terms mean and a lack of WP:AGF on your part with needlessly agrressive WP:BATTLEGROUND beahviour in your edit summary and comment above. I gravely suggest you tone that down.

Now, coming to the edits which you have dubiously restored twice (against WP:BRD), first there is a reason we do not have a dialogue parameter in {{Infobox film}}, to insert that forcefully through a module is dubious, promotional and not in line with MOS:FILM and the documentation for the template [the current parameters in that infobox have been reached through extensive disussions and cannot be wishy washy done away with], you are free to look at any WP:FA articles as examples, e.g. Mulholland Drive (film), for how the infobox is supposed to function.

Second countries and production houses are the descriptives we use in describing film background not subnational industries, here Telugu cinema, for Indian films the precedent is to use language descriptives and your insertion of the industry is against precedent and non-standard. If the argument is that the film is primarily in Telugu and should be labelled as such, start a discussion or an WP:RFA here regarding that (as had been done for say 2.0 (film)), but insertions going against consensus by using vague allusions to ICTF are not done.

Thirdly, I agreed with Indopug (along with the rest of their cleanup) in the removal of clear WP:PROMO insertion of the San Diego Comic-Con screening, which with its WP:PEACOCK wording (along with the genre-bending nonsense in the body) is advertorial and non-encyclopedic in nature.

This was the reason your "re-insertion" was undone and similar reasons were given in Indopug's edit summaries, all of which have been conveniently ignored. Gotitbro (talk) 11:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

So, the account was a sock should have been expected. Gotitbro (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: What do you think of this and this after this? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I have copyedited the odd sentence construction. Looking at the quote, its alright. Anyhow when the film releases, it will become clearer and how much of a simultaneous re-shot it is. Gotitbro (talk) 10:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jayanthkumar123: The guideline per WP:BRD is to dicuss edits and seek consensus at the talk page when your edits have been objected to (here by different editors). Now coming to your insertion of "with few scenes reshot", it is grammatically incorrect and odd which is why it was paraphrased, also let's look at the quote "Some scenes would definitely be more impactful if we are shooting it in Hindi. So we are shooting it in two languages. But for the most part it's a Telugu film." It nowhere says that only some scenes were shot in Hindi, that is WP:SYNTH on your part. The quote is highlighting the impact of reshooting some parts but what it definitively says is this "So we are shooting it in two languages."

Despite this (giving the benefit to the last part "But for the most part it's a Telugu film."), I thought it prudent to let your insertions stand for the time-being (till the film actually releases) in wait for a clearer picture to emerge. But if you continue down this WP:EDITWARRING track, I am afraid we would have to go back to a WP:STABLE version prior to your insertions. Gotitbro (talk) 13:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, be careful of the WP:3RR (three-revert rule) which you are on the verge of violating at this article. Gotitbro (talk) 13:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The talk can't go according you. As per my knowledge of Engish language, "some" is equal to "few". So, I have done the edit. No need to "let" my insertions stand, because the line is according to the words said by the director. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Asking for discussion is not the same as the WP:CANTHEARYOU behaviour shown by you here without any attempt to engage in the said discussion. The heart of the issue is not how you yourself parse the language but that your method of doing it is WP:SYNTH. I have no interest in this article beyond encyclopedic integrity, but you better read up on the various WP policies which you are clearly unfamiliar with. Gotitbro (talk) 11:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Cast update

Kamal Hasan plays the role of Kali who is the antagonist and Deepika Padukone plays the role of Padma. RyuShin07 (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2024

The release date needs to be updated! Yashk0618 (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please indicate what the actual release date should be, then, alongside a reliable source to verify it. —Sirdog (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

Change X to Y

Under Marketing section,

X - On 19 July 2023, the film's first look was released.[52] [53][54] Kalki 2898 AD became the first Indian film to be presented at San Diego Comic-Con's prestigious "Hall-H" on 20 July 2023, where the makers unveiled the official title & glimpse of the highly anticipated film.[55][56]

Y - On 19 July 2023, the film's first look was released. It received negative response and later deleted by makers from social media handles and uploaded with some changes which also received criticism. Kalki 2898 – A.D became the first Indian film to be presented at San Diego Comic-Con's "Hall-H" on 20 July 2023, where the makers unveiled the official title and glimpse.

Reason: Current version is edited by a sockly blocked user see. So it should be removed. Change X to Y. 103.166.244.177 (talk) 09:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Language

It is clear from the trailer that all of the dialogues of the trailer are dubbed in Hindi. Surprisingly unlike Prabhas' earlier films there is no lipsync in Hindi. The director has a bad history with false bilinguals. The trailer is an amalgamation of many scenes throughout the film, so if they were to reshoot important scenes in Hindi, it would have been evident in the trailer. He wanted to shoot in Hindi but did not update the media that he didn't @Kailash29792: @Ab207: Thoughts? The CBFC having a certificate for Hindi is confusing, maybe wait till release?DareshMohan (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Gotitbro:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The CBFC search engine does not specify whether the certified language is dubbed or not, unlike its certificates which do. Search Baahubali 2: The Conclusion on the there and you can see it only lists the language (Hindi etc.) and no further, while the title portion of actual CBFC certificates (e.g. here) goes something like this: [Film title]+[Film format (e.g. cinemascope)+[Dubbed (if that is the case)]+[Subtitles and their language (if any)]+[The original title and language (which has been dubbed over) (not always shown)].

For now, our own analsyis from trailers should not have any bearing on article content (per WP:SYNTH). As an encyclopedia, we are in no hurry and can wait for the film to release or for further information to be revealed by the makers (who have so far stuck for its simultaneous shooting).

Till then stay put with what the latest sources have to say about this. If it turns out, from sources, that a dubbed certificate was actually given or that the reshot scenes are minor, this can be revisited. Gotitbro (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I say wait till release. Kailash29792 (talk) 23:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @DareshMohan. Seconding @Kailash29792. We can wait till it releases for more clarity. Ab207 (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Even though the CBFC certificate says it as an original one, most of the scenes are primarily shot in Telugu. The most recent example being Aranmanai 4, the Telugu version Baak has Telugu-specific actors Vennela Kishore and Srinivasa Reddy, with the CBFC certificate saying it as the original version (not a dubbed version of Tamil-language version). But, still the film is noted as Tamil-language on the article. So, it's better to mention as Telugu-language film, providing a note that "some scenes were reshot in Hindi", similar to that of Saaho. Pinging @Ab207 @Kailash29792 Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 12:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

[1] Prabhas: And Deepika, first time you are doing a Telugu film, it's like completely different from the Bollywood or little different or very, very different?

[2] Deepika: So you can act in English [alluding to her Hollywood film], act in Telugu [referring to this film] and you can act in Hindi [alluding to all of her other films].

There is no evidence that the film was shot in Hindi so the wording should be changed to "planned to be reshot partially in Hindi" akin to Mahanati / Marakkar (planned to be shot in another language -- but never reshot) or a hatnote should be added to the infobox stating that the Hindi partial reshoot is a speculation and not confirmed. @Jayanthkumar123: @Ab207: @Kailash29792: The only hopes for the language being changed is if someone sees the Hindi version and can confirm via CBFC. DareshMohan (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: They were discussing about it being Deepika's first Telugu film. Doesn't negate the possibility that parts were re-shot in Hindi. It is primarily shot in Telugu alright, and it has been reflected in the lead. Why can't we wait for a few more days instead of including a possible WP:OR? Pinging Pinging @Gotitbro, Ravensfire, Shshshsh, Sid95Q. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

That would be WP:SYNTH. Wait for the film to release (and subsequent confirmation/reportage), we are in no hurry; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a news ticker and WP:WAIT we will.

If removal or modification is required we will do it, no big deal. Also, if you are pinging participant editors the expectation is that all those involved are notified. Gotitbro (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Just to throw this out there - the BBFC has the film language as Telugu [https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/kalki-2898-ad-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0xmdixndc1], and they're pretty good about listing the major languages used in filming. It's called out in the infobox directions as a good source for the primary language used in the film. Not sure if that helps, honestly a bit confusing for exactly which edit(s) are being discussed. Ravensfire (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Espenthordsen: Please participate in the discussion here and help reach a WP:CONSENSUS for the WP:LEAD language/terminology (with sources), when a discussion on a particular topic is ongoing edits in the meantime as to that are to be avoided. Gotitbro (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

References

The film has already been released. Three sources are mentioned in the lead. Ignore the first source, it doesn't talk about language. The second source says "Some scenes would definitely be more impactful if we are shooting it in Hindi. So we are shooting it in two languages. But for the most part it's a Telugu film..." In the Comic-Con, director expressed interest that reshoot would be beneficial but there is no proof that when they shot the film, they took the effort to do any single scene twice. @Gotitbro: @Jayanthkumar123: @Ab207: @Kailash29792: Pinging @Gotitbro, Ravensfire, Shshshsh, Sid95Q DareshMohan (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Temporary Solution: until someone finds the Hindi version's CBFC certificate, omit any mention of Hindi in the lead. In the production section, mention a planned reshoot in Hindi as per the YouTube ComicCon interview (second source above). The lead would read: "was shot primarily in Telugu". The production section must mention planned Hindi reshoot.

This can take two possible paths for the permanent solution: if the Hindi CBFC theatrical release certificate has no mention of dubbed version, keep article as is. Else, remove "was shot primarily in Telugu" and change the first sentence to "Indian Telugu-language film". AS per the BBFC comment above, Adipurush 's language only mentions Hindi there [3], so I would wait per CBFC.DareshMohan (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the lead and the infobox should match and highlight the major aspects of the film. Does a few scenes in one language warrant mention when the rest is filmed in another? That's problematic to me - the template calls out "Insert the language primarily used in the film. [...] Only in rare cases of clearly bilingual or multilingual films, enter separate entries". So is this a bilingual film? From the information above, I would question that as personally I don't think a few scenes makes the entire film bilingual. I'm looking for substantial use of both languages / the entire film shot in both languages. A mention in the production section of the scenes and why the different language was used would be useful and relevant, but not, to me, in the lead. May be worth a question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. Ravensfire (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: Though I am tilting towards removing Hindi from the lead as more material has come out, you should always wait for consensus to build up and comments to come in from involved editors, especially when a topic is being actively discussed. We are not on a WP:DEADLINE.

Consensus is not gauged merely through a single observation by an editor. While I will not be reverting your edits here, you should be more careful and not tend towards editing behaviour which would appear to be be disruptive or tendentious. Gotitbro (talk) 03:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And what was this edit, a film's release has no bearing on the verifiability of the content in an article; the only place where citations are not required is the MOS:PLOT section. Please undo your edits here. Gotitbro (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Problematic edits

@Harshvardhanrai0905: Your edits show a lack of basic familiarity with the English Wikipedia style guide and format. Especially problematic are the repeated addition of WP:OVERLINKS i.e. we do not blue link terms which are common (e.g. "film format", "theatrical release" etc.) or have already been linked in the same lead or section.

Also be careful with the modules you insert in {{Infobox film}}. If these do not have precedent or are non-standard we do not add them, and any such addition should have prior consensus at the Talk etc. There is a reason the infobox template, which is already extensive with its parameters, does not contain VFX parameters; simply because the enwiki community does not deem them important enough.

Please also read MOS:FILM, and be careful as your repeated violations of it are tending towards WP:DISRUPTION. Gotitbro (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bandwagon98: You have been notified about the disruptive nature of your edits here, yet you remain unresponsive on the Talk page and persist against WP:BRD with WP:EDITWARRING to insert non-standard modules in the infobox.

Please stop and seek WP:CONSENSUS for your contentious changes here first. Gotitbro (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bandwagon98: Wikipedia is not the place for Wikipedia:Fancruft or fan theories, edits such as these cannot go and can be seen as disruptive (especially when it has been made clear only a few edits a go why so). Please leave edit summaries and do not be blaise with your edits, always see the page history. Any edits for Sumati, Kalki, Kali etc. should be officially confirmed by the makers; please wait for the film to release or the makers to confirm certain aspects, again Wikipedia is no place for theories or WP:RUMORS. Gotitbro (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Music

@MNWiki845: May I ask the reason for commenting out the background score?

Also please leave edit summaries before hand. Gotitbro (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It's because the track album and background score are different things, and there is a separate draft article for Kalki 2898 AD (soundtrack) so will be adding it there. MNWiki845 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Soundtracks and background scores both fall within music; but since the mentioned Draft:Kalki 2898 AD (soundtrack) does exist and most of the tables are likely to be moved there, I don't see any further problem.

Though please be explicit with the rationales when the edits aren't themselves clear and link the relevant stuff, so other editors can follow. Gotitbro (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Genre

The opening sentence of this article reads "Kalki 2898 AD (pronounced [kə.l.kɪ]) is a 2024 Indian epic dystopian science fiction action film". That's more than a little overloaded, are all those genres and subgenres really necessary in the very first sentence?

Please note WP:FILMGENRE which "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." The idea of an encyclopedia article being to explain and inform readers, letting them know the primary genre to readers not burden them with unnecessary details.

Would it be enough to call it a "science fiction action film" and leave other details for later? -- 109.79.161.255 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps @Indopug: has something to say on this as well (noticed your edits on the article).

I agree that a broader categorization of science fiction action is perhaps better, a known genre rather than say "dystopian action". With science fiction films in India also being a non-mainstream genre, it would indeed appear to be a better fit. Gotitbro (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Credits order

The intro credits lists Amitabh Bachchan's name first. I have updated the article to reflect the same. The intro credits omits Kamal Haasan's name while he is listed second in the end credits. He admits to playing a cameo [4]. DareshMohan (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

What's the protocol for the order @Hammersoft:? Assuming it is the order per reliable sourcing. Unspoken rule is infobox and lead reflect opening credits while Cast section reflects end credits. DareshMohan (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Is this the order in both Telugu and Hindi? And I say follow the end credits order. Most MCU films follow the poster credits order (lower billing block), which Indian films don't have. Kailash29792 (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It is for Telugu. @Kailash29792: Look at Ravensfire's comment above at Talk:Kalki_2898_AD#Language_2. The Hindi version is likely dubbed. Once I see the CBFC certificate of Hindi version on Google Images, I'll remove it. DareshMohan (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

There are some spoiler in this page under the cast section.Half of the people have still not seen the film and it is out on internet.I need to edit that out. 2601:4C3:340:890:3096:5054:6A26:CC8B (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 06:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia is not WP:SPOILER free. Gotitbro (talk) 11:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect redirection for Kamal Haasan's character

I think there has been a mix-up between the pages related to Haasan's character, Supreme Yaskin. It was presumed that this character is based on or related to the demon Kali, but due to the similar spelling to Kali, the goddess, that page was linked instead. I haven't edited anything, I just thought to let others know. Kajukajukatli (talk) 06:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

That was my bad, wanted to link to Kali (demon) based on the source cited there. But looks like its still unconfirmed, and has already been removed. Gotitbro (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)