Talk:Katawa Shoujo

2006 v. 2007

I thought that Raita's sketch was first posted back in 2006, not 2007. This would make sense seeing how 4LS states that they are 2006-2009. Anyone care to confirm?

<Aura-> it was posted 4th January 2007

<Aura-> on /a/

Also, You can read more about it here:http://katawa-shoujo.com/staff.php

According to Aura, Schuppen Harnische was released in Winter Comiket 2000 --Animecheck (talk) 10:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I posted in the original Katawa Shoujo sticky on 5 January 2007, but I will say that the pictures themselves were circulating before the sticky post sparked general interest in the project. However, I don't remember if they were circulating toward the end of December, just that they were around before the sticky.

Also, I noticed one of the sources cited is Sankaku. We can do better than that. 169.237.135.204 (talk) 22:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i have to agree with you bro, We only placed sankakucomplex as source out of desperation in the beginning, but i have to say, placing it there is doing more harm than good.--Animecheck (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Grid1?

To my knowledge, Grid1 (see http://rs.4chan.org/?s=katawa) was the first demo released, and Act I the second. Any clarifications available? Frigo (talk) 04:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It was a leak, if I remember correctly.

It can't really be called a demo, as in addition to not being an official release nearly all content found in it has since been scrapped and replaced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.51.58 (talk) 02:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree; the game's gone through some good changes since the leak. Grid1 is indeed an unofficial leak. Nanominori (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

IRL notability

If someone still needs some source about this thing's notability, it was mentioned in a sidebar of the July '09 issue of the Japanese tech magazine iP!:

http://akibahiroi.blog33.fc2.com/blog-entry-492.html http://www.shinyusha.co.jp/~top/00ip/ip.htm

I have no idea how to properly add this into the article without seeming like dropping it in just because I can, so I'm parking the link here in case someone can come with something better. --84.152.164.143 (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Over-under on speedy deletion for being from the internet: 2 weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.176.147.168 (talk) 21:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't honestly say that I see how this implies any degree of 'notoriety'. It's still a small project with no IRL coverage to speak of beyond a sidebar link at one point on a Japanese webpage. 67.204.217.121 (talk) 07:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I would say it is notiable. Many popular blogs and websites ran multiable articles on it. Yeah I would say that outside of the gamming websites it's notibilty is less so but you could say that about almost any website in exsistance. TV Tropes for example or Kotaku IRL are not well known but on the internet the are among the most legit. This game has internet notabilty, which I think is good enough. DSQ (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

katawa cripple or disability?

片端; 片輪 【かたわ】 (adj-na,n) (1) (sens) crippled; deformed; (2) imperfect; incomplete;

I would say katawa definitly is more crude and offensive than just "disability". just now someone changed all instances of "cripple" to "disability" and I don't think he's correct. Shishikyuu (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the commonly used title in English is "Disability Girls", but to say that the LITERAL title of the game is "Disability Girls" is wrong. The literal translation is "Cripple Girls" or "Deformed Girls". I was just reverted without comment. Why? --84.16.208.220 (talk) 05:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed now, thanks [1] --84.16.208.220 (talk) 05:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that 2channelers were saying that the title was a tad bit offensive in terms. Katawa does indeed mean cripple, in more or less a slangy term. Nanominori (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The creators of this game were engaging in some daring irony when they picked the name. "Katawa" is actually a very nasty word in Japan; bad enough that it's banned from Japanese public TV and radio. That's because "katawa" means something like "cripple" or "retard" or "gimp." If you ACTUALLY called someone "Katawa Shoujo" in Japan, you might as well have just called them "Crippled Girl." NOT a good idea. The creators were just trying to be ironic. Ariolander (talk) 06:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

You guys do realize the "かたわ" (katawa) is in the original source image, right? It's the furigana just to the left of the title (for doubters, the furigana for shoujo is on the other side). I feel this should be mentioned somewhere in this article... Nintendo Maniac 64 (talk) 10:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Rating?

Was it actually rated by some agency? I don't believe that the term "rating" is appropriate if it wasn't. Not that I mean the age suggestion would be inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.37.252 (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

History

One of the former developers has published some remiscences about the tumultous history of Katawa Shoujo;

I wanted badly to be a writer, so I contributed often. Even back then, I knew that the secret to being noticed (and liked) was feedback. But I was especially interested in how we, the ex-Anonymous, would form the necessary infrastructure to develop a game. This was probably what helped me stand out the most. When the admin finally decided to put together a team — an interim government of sorts — he asked me to join. I happily accepted.
It was a disaster.
I think what we wanted, in our naïveté, was to harness “crowd creativity” for production. So at first, we held public polls for little things, like what the characters’ names would be. This was fun. But as enthusiasm waned and people wondered when some actual development would start, we bumbled and stalled. Displeasure grew. We fled to our secret team forums, and it became increasingly clear that this pseudo-democracy wasn’t going to work in the long run. The project needed a leader.
But therein lay another layer of intrigue: The team didn’t really like the forum admin. We hid it from him, of course, in the cowardly tradition of young men talking crap on the Internet. As much as we didn’t like his leadership, he seemed poised to become top dog by default. But patience was wearing thin. People were dropping out, and it looked like the whole thing was going to die.
So, my last act as a member of the Katawa Shoujo team was a coup d’état. I went behind the admin’s back, got support from the rest of the team, and publicly announced that a young firebrand named Cpl_Crud was going to be the new director of the project. I left him some words of encouragement, and then I took my leave. (The admin left me a goodbye as well. I didn’t read it.)
I haven’t followed Katawa Shoujo much since then. I understand that it’s about to be released in a couple of days. I’m happy for its success, because believe me when I say that it almost blew up in the hangar.
...I hear — just hear, mind — that he’s [the original Japanese artist Raita] amused.

I also cleaned up my CSE hits so that may be of use to editors as well. --Gwern (contribs) 01:22 4 January 2012 (GMT)

Full Release

Full release is out now. http://katawashoujo.blogspot.com/2012/01/katawa-shoujo-released.html --71.141.250.48 (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Reception

I've removed most of the demo reception, as demo reception generally isn't retained for games that reach a full release. Added the first review from an accredited source I could find; I'd hazard against including 'perverse and contemptible', since notable sources will generally only include those who have actually played and reviewed the game (and have had said review published in some capacity beyond a random post somewhere). Not trying to whitewash; I just haven't seen any negative reviews yet. Jacotto (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Screenshot licensing

Would someone mind retagging all the screenshots under the appropriate license? The game engine is GPL and the art is released under CC-BY-ND. I do not have the sufficient knowledge to carry out this operation so could someone step in and so these images can be moved to Commons and be used without fear? Thanks in advance. —Yannis A. ^✆|☑ 22:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not CC BY-ND, it's CC BY-NC-ND. Anything with NC (Non-commercial) is not free enough for WikiCommons.--Remurmur (talk) 23:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Characters

The Characters section seems too extensive to me; I'd like to tone it down and remove it's list-like nature, but I'd like to hear if anyone else prefers it the way it is first. Jacotto (talk) 03:12, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

'Her sentence is, "blah blah"' - Why is this part of each character description? Where is this 'sentence' from in the first place? It felt like a weird addition to each character description with no explanation. 121.98.156.222 (talk) 01:36, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

It's from the official website's splash page, as well as promotional material. Jacotto (talk) 01:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Visual Novel classification

Please refer to this discussion on the Visual Novel talk page and contribute there before making changes to this (or any other Visual Novel) article, until the nomenclature issue is resolved. Jacotto (talk) 01:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Gameplay section?

I've noticed in other visual novel pages that they have gamplay sections. Adding one shouldn't be to hard considering the nature of the game and it would exspand on the thrid paragraph of the opening. I think it would help readers who wanted to know more about katawa shoujo as a game and it would keep it in line with other visual novel articles. What is everyone elses opinion? DSQ (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me; I have limited time but I'd also still like to overhaul the characters sections to be far more succinct at some point too. Jacotto (talk) 04:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The gameplay itself is pretty thin; Katawa Shoujo is primarily a visual novel and secondarily a dating simulation with some eroge elements. There simply aren't that many forking paths to take, and even so some of the choices are more apparent than real, but that said I'd be surprised if someone hasn't mapped them all out. kencf0618 (talk) 07:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

In regard to your recent edits, the statement "The game's few instances of soft core erotic imagery on the relevant forks are in keeping with the narrative (but are listed on the options menu as "adult content" which can be disabled)." seems rather non-neutral and un-encyclopedic; rather more like a defensive statement. Also, I'm pretty sure gamefaqs top 10 most wanted faqs isn't a particularly useful mention for the 'reception' section; reviews from users on websites generally do not carry critical weight either when considering the reception of a video game. Jacotto (talk) 22:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I've moved the eroge elements to the Critical Reception section; Katawa Shoujo not only straddles a few genres, it deconstructs them, so there's a lot that's available to analyse. And if cited user reviews don't carry due weight, what does? (That said, your constructive criticism is appreciated.) kencf0618 (talk) 00:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Generally, anonymous user reviews are not considered notable critical reception. Jacotto (talk) 18:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

User reviews should be discounted for citability or such, but mentioning that there was a large amount of positive feedback from fans in passing should be alright. Just my opinion.DETHREAPER (talk) 05:33, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Reception

Looks like Raita, who designed the original image which the game was based off, acknowledged the game and has apparently been following it closely since the early stages, and wrote a comment in English on his blog about it here[2]. Should it be added somewhere? Sera404 (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

SEX

Is this game eroge? Isn't there explicit sexual content?--24.203.108.54 (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there is indeed sexual content, though it can be disabled via the game's settings. Note that disabling it only removes said CGs, not the nude sprites. 2001:4C4C:13E0:5E00:0:0:0:1000 (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Removal of April Fools Section

@ChrisGualtieri:, why did you revert my removal of the April Fools section? The entire section is based off of blogposts by the developers and has received no secondary coverage.Bosstopher (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

You said the material is not notable and removed sourced content, but material within the article itself does not need independent notability of itself. Because it would be inappropriate to stand alone and has been a reoccurring event by the developers - it is acceptable to include. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:42, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

But the it's sourced only from Primary sources, there's no secondary sources covering the april fool jokes. There's no reason an entire section of the article should be devoted to it. Bosstopher (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

That is not an acceptable argument to make for removing the section. The material does not need to conform to N since it is only the article which has to meet N or GNG. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Japanese name of Raita Honjo

Isn't the Japanese name of Raita 本庄雷太? If so, it may be good to find a reliable source to confirm it so it can be posted in the article WhisperToMe (talk) 09:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Long plot section

In regards to the notice on the long plot section, this was all done by one person, in this edit. What's more, this entire plot section was shamelessly stolen (with no credit I might add) from the Katawa Shoujo Wikia site, which I am the only remaining active administrator on. Hell, an "Ending to End all Endings" was my own words (from March of 2013). Someone just copied and pasted the plot from about 7 different pages onto this one page on Wikipedia. It could probably all just stand to be removed. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 19:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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