Talk:Kenny McCormick

Character Biography

Perhaps we should add a sort of 'Biography' of him in the aritcle - it might fall under 'Chateracterization' - I more so mean a history of him from the earlies to later episodes in order and etc. Is it a good idea? Would the article be too long then? --JohnVMaster (talk) 20:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it would be too long, and that would be very useful for all fictional characters' pages. 98.164.213.164 (talk) 04:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Each of Kenny's deaths

The mentioning of each episode of a Kenny death since his character returned at the end of the sixth season isn't necessary, especially in the opening. It's too trivial, and it makes the article focus on this while distracting from the many other things that can be said about him.

There's already an article that lists each one of his deaths, and people may go there if they like. Please post thoughts if you disagree. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 23:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay SoSaysChappy, what's the article? Can you give me a link, please? --C-Son-L Sweaters. 68.39.79.161 (talk) 02:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It has since been merged into this article (see thread below this one). The post-season 6 episodes are listed in the "Notes" section. I stand corrected...they aren't. I'm actually opposed to the "Notes" section (but not enough to delete it from the article), feeling it contains excessive and unnecessary examples that doesn't help the reader further understand the overall concept the article is trying to explain. But if it's there to list each of the seasons 1-5 episode in which he doesn't die, and each episode where he is seen without his hood, might as well include a third note listing each post-season 6 episode in which he is killed. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 04:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge into DESTINATION PAGE. -- SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Conclusion among proponents was that content on destination page
was simply reiterated on the page to be merged and didn't merit a separate article.

I propose merging in Kenny's deaths to this article. Most of the content (save the long list of pop culture references) is in here anyway. Alastairward (talk) 23:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

For a long time this article included details about Kenny's deaths, and there was debate about splitting the info off into its own article, which was done. Bringing it back would be counter-productive. --Captain Infinity (talk) 00:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting bringing back the long list of Kenny's deaths, that was scrubbed from the existing article. My concern is that it is simply a long list of plot points reiterated, there is no need for this. The information is already succinctly included in this article. Alastairward (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The Kenny's deaths article doesn't explain much beyond what this one does, except for (as the OP mentioned) yet another one of those Godforsaken trivia lists, which doesn't belong there anyway. So in essence, a merger would get rid of an unnecessary article. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 17:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think the circumstances of Kenny's many deaths are an inherent part of his character, therefore they belong on his character page. I disagree that it's meaningless trivia; Kenny dying in each episode was a mainstay of the first 5 seasons! How is that mere trivia and not information worthy of a wiki? One must remember that the beauty of Wikipedia is that it can answer almost any question. Removing the list of Kenny's deaths altogether doesn't help further that at all. It's counterproductive to the cause. (And anyone who tries to tell me that the goal of Wikipedia is NOT to provide the answer to most any question can get lost because you're both wrong and pointlessly argumentative.)-VooLaLa (talk) 03:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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NAMBLA episode

I'm posting this new section so I can refer to it later (if needed). OK, lately there have been a few edits which reference the episode in which Kenny's mom gives birth to another baby shortly after Kenny dies and names it "Kenny", then comments that it's the 52nd time it has happened. It's being used to explain why Kenny reappears despite dying in a previous episode. This scene is ambiguous at best; It doesn't explain how Kenny manages to reappear as an 8-year-old while the other boys remain the same age. To have 52 full-term pregnancies would take about 40 years. Kenny has also once reappeared by simply materializing out of thin air at the bus stop. Any attempt to state that the "rebirth" scene explains his reappearances with failure to account for all the aforementioned stuff constitutes original research. Any attempt to explain aforementioned info also constitutes original research. To me, the scene was simply a fun way for the show to acknowledge Kenny's numerous deaths, and perhaps "stir the pot" a bit. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I previously had made an edit to the Kenny McCormick article stating that perhaps in Cartman Joins NAMBLA that Kenny was reborn.

On the official website of South Park, in the FAQ section, you can see that it does state that Kenny is reborn. http://www.southparkstudios.com/fans/faq/archives.php?month=6&year=2006

It says to check out the ending of Cartman joins NAMBLA, which shows Kenny's mother having a baby, naming it Kenny, and showing that he is reborn. Now, I believe that this makes sense, as this is the official website of South Park.

Now please, if you find that the place I got my information is incorrect, (The official South Park site, FAQ section)) Please, if I misread it or somehow you got something different out of 'See the end of Cartman Joins Nambla' please tell me, it would be helpful. Gentleheart123 (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the issue ...someone can get something different out of that statement. It's more ambiguous than verifiable, and open to interpretation (the entry you refer to simply says "check out the episode", and doesn't officially confirms anything). It also wouldn't be able to verify any of the other questions above; remember "Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut"? Kenny simply appeared out of thin air in that episode. The article states that "little or no definitive explanation" is ever given in regard to how he shows up in a new episode, which I think is sufficient. If someone can add a portion about how the webmaster on the show's official webpage implied that this is one on the reasons how Kenny can come back, and use that FAQ entry as a source, that might be OK. Remember though, anyone who's read the FAQ archives on that site will tell you that there are a lot of sarcastic responses to viewer questions. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Summary of major edit

Re: this edit:

• Slightly altered the lead, removing ref notes and elaborating on statements in lead with sourced info elsewhere in the article, as per MoS.
• New infobox .png image from free promotional source; added image from "Best Friends Forever".
• Replaced most episode cites with cites from secondary sources.
• Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.
• Removed mention of his dating two girls; fairly trivial.
• Rearranged article into a new format.
• Removed "closed-captioning" info that was tagged for a citation for a few months.
• Removed link to site containing translations of his speech, as the site itself admits it relies primarily on fan submissions; OR.

As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Really good work. You've basically turned the articles on the four main characters from unmaintable messy fancruft anthologies into FA-level articles. The only thing I don't like in this article is that it states that Kenny is a pyromaniac. (It also puzzles me that you cite an unofficially(?) published script instead of the episode itself.) Unless I'm wrong you base this solely on Cartman's line that "Kenny sniffs paint and sets things on fire", and one mention in passing (by a notorious liar) isn't really enough to establish this as a permanent trait on such a continiouity-less show. So I'll remove it. And additionally many kids love to set things on fire without having the very serious pyromania disorder. I actually find "sniffs paint" more interesting, as he's presented as a soft drug addict in at least one more episode. But apart from that everything here is awesome. 96T (talk) 18:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I had that in there with plans to expand it because I came across an article that said something about how a character on the show once set someone on fire, but it was removed at the last minute (based on the controversy Beavis & Butthead had to endure). Come to find out, it was Stan's sister (that's why Stan is suddenly seen in a puddle of water in the episode where he has a clone). So yeah, best to leave this out, seeing as how (like you said) it was mentioned in passing and this side of his character has rarely been explored. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Infobox image

This discussion on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Creators contemplated killing off Kyle

I'm adding this discussion in case I can refer to it later. A portion of this article explains how Parker and Stone considered killing off Kyle before they instead decided on permanently (ultimately temporarily) killing off Kenny. The reasons for this are all explained and sourced in the article. Yet, recent edits ([1][2][3]) by two IPs and a user ID (possibly roamer/sockpuppets) keep changing the sentence "Parker and Stone contemplated having an episode in which Kyle was killed off" into "Parker and Stone contemplated having an episode in which Kenny was killed off". Edit summaries in the reverts are being ignored, so hopefully this might clarify any possible confusion (again, read the whole section in the article!). If it continues to happen, I can only assume it is vandalism. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Jeffersons episode

Shouldn't it be noted that Kenny was shown unmasked in the Jeffersons episode? He also spoke without a muffled voice. I'm pretty sure it's the only episode that shows his face, not counting the movie. --130.49.7.115 (talk) 00:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

+1 95.132.146.21 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:37, 20 October 2010 (UTC). There also was Super Best Friends, The Losing Edge, Lice Capades, Pee, Margaritaville, and The Coon.

Blonde hair

"He first appeared unobscured by his hood in South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, where it was revealed that he had messy blond hair". In episode 02 season 04 (tooth fairy tats 2000) at ~3 minutes you see Kenny naked from behind, so the statement isn't really true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.119.119 (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The episode was made AFTER the movie. --24.12.214.185 (talk) 00:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

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Staring GA review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick fail criteria assessment

1. The article completely lacks reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability.

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2. The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way – see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

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3. There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags.

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4. The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars.

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5. The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint.

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No problems found when checking against quick fail criteria, moving on to substantive review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • Needs references from reliable sources for the charcters role in veido games Ok cites now added. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • Just needs references for the video games aspect. On hold. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Done

   Ok, pass GA

SVG character images

Please see this discussion at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —Noisalt (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Based on real-life Kenny

You really think they were serious they knew a kid EXACTLY like Kenny? I'm pretty sure M&T were screwing around and honestly, if we're taking that seriously, we should edit the page to include Trey's statement that Kenny is a "supernatural demigod" and amend Stan's page to include the statements that he and Wendy have had sex. --24.12.214.185 (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:V. Besides, I don't see how this is as far-fetched as the latter two examples you stated. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, no, but my point is that the creators' are not always the most absolutely reliable sources for information. I think they're hilarious guys, but it's very hard to seperate fact from fiction with them. It mostly seems far-fetched to me because it's only been mentioned once that I know of. --24.12.214.185 (talk) 00:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Vague Personalities

In personalities and traits, Kenny has the same basic traits as the other three, and this is definitely not enough to describe a character. Should I add more, like his obsession with boobs? 98.164.213.164 (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The section already has a sourced sentence about this aspect of his character. There's really no need to add more details from various episodes. It doesn't have to be expanded for the sake of being longer. There's really not much more to him (read the article, where the creators mention he's more of a prop who you can barely understand most of the time). If you find more information in a reliable source that is not already mentioned, then please add. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I did add, and it seems to make sense, but it was deleted probably because I don't have links as sources (I did say which episode it was shown) TheKHUE (talk) 22:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Name?

Hey, i am just watching SouthPark, and in the new intro, where the are "computer scanned" like agents, his name is "K.McKormick" with Kormik and not Cormic. So what now? What do you think about that? --Alosolo (talk) 21:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The newest episodes? Because I just watched the intro for the most recent episode and didn't see this. Opening titles sequences from a few seasons ago did have his name spelled this way, and the alternate spelling is listed in the infobox. If you're suggesting we move the article to a new name, I wouldn't think that would be best, as 99% of sources have it spelled "McCormick". - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry that i answer so late but spring break and that stuff means no time :D Im not sure which Season it is, but here is the link for the intro:

[4]Intro

When you stop on 0:24, you can see kenny with his name, McKORMICK

--Alosolo (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Since the beginning of the series, there have been at least three "official" spellings of Kenny's last name (this includes reviews and even the Comedy Central site itself). He's not alone in the lead quartet: Kyle's last name has had a couple of different spellings, too. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 14:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

episode 807

In episode 807 kenny did not have his coat on. Should that be noted? (LAz17 (talk) 04:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)).

Seems pretty trivial; he's been seen without it several times before. DP76764 (Talk) 05:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Mysterion's voice

• I'm pretty sure that's Matt's voice, who came up with the idea that it's Trey? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.22.194.130 (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

  @91.22.194.130 Matt voiced mysterion. Event unreal (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Dialogs

Why is there no link to a website posting all of Kenny's lines? It's not obvious when you watch the episodes...

Coon-centricity

Editors have to try not to give too much weight to three-episode existence of Kenny's superhero alter ego, or to treat those episodes' regard for Kenny's constant deaths as anything more than one in a series of jokes about the plot holes inherent to Kenny's deaths. There is an entire paragraph, in a section of two paragraphs, seemingly devoted to Mysterion.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

"COME OF IT!"

"KENNY DIES ALL THE TIME!". In the mysterion episode, no one remembers that Kenny dies painfully for almost each episode. Cartman is also ignorant of it. There is a but, in the Cartmanland, Cartman said that Kenny dies all the time. It indicates that he is the only one who remembers all the death incidents to Kenny, but he is just as ignorant as all else in the Mysterion episode. Which one happens to be a fact?--88.90.204.18 (talk) 23:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

MYSTERION

Mysterion first appears as a cardboard cut-out in the show's opening sequence, going back to the first season. This can be verified by watching the opening sequence in which the characters are all gathered by the South Park sign waving to the camera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.68.61 (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

That opening has changed several times. You aren't going by the website, which uses the new opening on all episodes, are you? — trlkly 11:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Citation 17 has been removed from Youtube

"Trey Parker and Matt Stone interview (2000) pt 3/5". YouTube. 2000. Retrieved 2009-02-28 displays an error: This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants --78.142.89.224 (talk) 13:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Super awkward wording

> Kenny is shown to desire intercourse in the episode "The Ring,"

This is the kind of awkward phrasing I'd expect to from "The secret life of the american teenager", not a wikipedia entry.
It's also inaccurate. There can be many reasons to express joy at the idea of getting closely acquainted with a "slut", coitus being just one of them.
In context, the scene doesn't refer to copulation, but to fellatio. 99.58.56.123 (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Decline in importance

After the whole Mysterion trilogy Kenny barely has any role in the episode to where he's almost a background character. Shouldn't this be mentioned? --69.124.164.51 (talk) 23:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like WP:OR DP76764 (Talk) 01:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

how darre u he is the most importint — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.10.36 (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

What is this supposed to mean?

In the show's video game spin-off, Kenny has been killed at the end of three bosses. After the first boss, Kenny follows him to a large door and the door closes on him. After the fourth boss, Kenny gets squished with a giant robot head. After the fifth and last boss, Kenny gets killed by a safe that fell on him. Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm not a native English speaker. I just don't get what this sentence is to tell me. To me, it does not make any sense. Could anyone with a deeper insight please rephrase it? Or is the content original research and thus not suitable at all?--FoxyOrange (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2013 (UTC) becuse he is adorable need i say more — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.10.36 (talk) 20:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

how can he be alive

how can kenny be alive after he dies so many times can someone help me out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.10.36 (talk) 20:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

It is a TV show and in many TV shows a new episode is a new life. AnonUser123456890 (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Karen McCormick, Kenny's sister

As a casual reader not very knowledgeable about South Park, I find this bit of text very confusing:

He also has a younger sister, shown with his family in the season nine episode "Best Friends Forever", but does not make another appearance until the 15th season episode "The Poor Kid", in which her name is revealed to be Karen, whom he loves unconditionally. When addressing fan speculation that the girl was Kenny's sister Karen McCormick, series co-creator Matt Stone merely stated that the character was a "mystery".

The interview referenced doesn't refer to any fan speculation; it's just a question about the existence of Kenny's sister in general. And yet, the text asserts confidently that Kenny has a sister and that her name is Karen. So, on the one hand, the text is confirming that Kenny has a sister named Karen, and on the other is calling that just a fan theory. I didn't expect to see this kind of contradiction in a GA.

Oh, and the "unconditional love" part seems completely unnecessary. --Serpinium (talk) 08:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Season 6, 10 & 17

Do you count the deaths in season 6, 10, & 17 as deaths?

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Theory

What if the reason why Tweek and Butters are to replace Kenny because just like Kenny, they are both blond? --72.68.0.59 (talk) 03:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Do You Agree?

Is it just me thinking this, or do all the main-set blond boys (Kenny, Tweek, and Butters) all have dysfunctional families or just at least dysfunctional parents? --72.68.0.59 (talk) 04:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Help!

Help! Someone vandalized the "Voiced by" section! --72.68.0.59 (talk) 04:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Free choice according to Milton is: 'I don´t need a large garage. Because I don´t have a large car. ' or, otherwise 'I got big credit. Because I don´t care who has to pay for it. ' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A540:CAF:0:880B:6D80:2C39:6B37 (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

"Four main characters"

Some recent edits have changed the wording to indicate that Kenny and Stan are among the "four main characters" of the show. While this would have been indisputable until around season 6, since then Butters has become as prominent a character as Kenny, and in the most recent seasons Randy has become the protagonist of most storylines. So, if South Park still has "main characters" at all, then there are six of them. There are also lots of episodes where any given character has little or no role - there is no character who appears in every South Park episode and getting an entire episode focused on, for example, Jimmy isn't considered particularly notable. Should articles be specific about what seasons this applies to or just treat the show as a whole as more of an ensemble to reflect its later more broad focus? Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 00:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Wears a Orange hoodie

He wears a Orange hoodie for dumb reasons 162.221.131.99 (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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