Talk:Lal Shahbaz Qalander

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lal word is not part of sindhi language if you know show me source,it is urdu word, in sindhi it is Gharho=red rathen lal. Sehwan was part of sindh before and it is part of sindh now,when it was part of india?during Biritsh india?

Jhulelal[edit]

How can the name of a Hindu god be the "affectionate name" of an Muslim Sufi saint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.190.106 (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been reading the article about Jhule Lal and I find no reference to Hazrat Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. I would also like to know - whats the connection between the two and why is he often called Jhule Lal. --95.223.187.114 (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Guest[reply]

Origin[edit]

If Hazrat Lal Shahbaz Qalandar (pbuh) was born as a son of an man from Iraq, and he himself was born in Afghanistan - why is he refered to as a Persian? Persian speakers of Arab decent are usually not refered to as "Persians" in Afghanistan, nor do Afghans refer to themselfs as Persians just because their vernacular is based on the on the dialect of Fars province.Would it not be more correct to refer to Hazrat Lal Shahbaz Qalandar (pbuh) as an Arab or Afghan of Arab decent ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.187.114 (talk) 01:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "Shahbaz Qalandar (Shaikh Usman Marwandi) was born in Marwand to a dervish, Syed Ibrahim Kabiruddin whose ancestors migrated from Bagdad and settled down in Mashhad, a center of learning and civilization, before migrating again to Marwand."

You seem to have totally ignored the reference to Mashhad, which is in Iran.

Also, it is not clear that his father can be described as a "man from Iraq" in any meaningful sense.

If his ancestors spent many generations in Iran and had only recently migrated to Marwand (Afghanistan), it would certainly make sense to refer to him as a Persian. --Sarabseth (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about that. If my family lives amongst Africans or Native Americans, does that make them Native Amercans or Africans? Certainly not! Specially not in a culture where people are used to trace their ancestry back along tribal and family/caste lines.The only legitimacy in calling him 'Persian' would be, if in fact his clan (in Baghdad) was of Persian decent (quiet possible) but the article doesn't mention that. --95.223.187.114 (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Guest[reply]

Yes, I take your point (in the context of his culture). --Sarabseth (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lal Shahbaz Qalander in the article "Sehwan Sharif"[edit]

The section on Lal Shahbaz Qalander in the article Sehwan Sharif is far too long and is badly in need of cleaning up. Does anyone here have the knowledge to do this? Many thanks. Esowteric+Talk 11:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]