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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 07:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

This article was clearly written with love, and I enjoyed reading it. Some opening points:

1. The birth dates and short biographies for people discussed are often good, but in some cases they're simply distracting. For instance, I'm not sure why Jerry Byrd or Josh Graves have their birthdates given, as the article immediately jumps to discussing their impact without giving any more of their biography outside of the music.
2. Some of the non-free audio clips may be replaceable. For Hoopii's clip, as the beginning of his career overlapped with the era now in the public domain, there may be PD recordings that can be used. For others, it's possible there are recordings that weren't published under proper copyright or didn't have their copyright renewed -- this may be the case for less popular/more niche recordings, for instance. If you can, it would be worthwhile to look into these.

Vaticidalprophet 07:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks for your critique. I used the birth dates (especially the year) to help the reader place the musician in his age group to figure out what was going on in music during his lifespan. Pete Kirby born in 1911 would have a different musical exposure than Josh Graves born in 1927. I'd be glad to copyedit the distracting text if you wish. As for Hoopii's clip: In 1925 his trio began performing regularly on the Hollywood nightclub scene, as well as on Hollywood-based radio station KFWB. They also began cutting discs -- under the name "Sol Hoopii and his Hawaiian Trio" for one of the earliest West Coast labels, Sunset Records. The public domain cutoff date is 1925 for musical compositions but even longer for sound recordings (95 years after first release). If I could find one of the these recordings, we might make PD cutoff by only a few months. How strongly do you feel about pursuing this? Eagledj (talk) 12:46, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Not too strongly -- I take a liberal reading of NFCC. I'm more concerned about future-proofing, as a lot of people do take less liberal ones than me and may read the current level of non-free clips in the article as problematic. I'm happy, though, to keep them if a reasonable search can't turn up alternatives. Will return with further comments. Vaticidalprophet 13:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I revised the Jerry Byrd bio and deleted some extraneous text.Eagledj (talk) 19:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Have taken another look through the article, and I'm very inclined to pass it. There's still a bit of stuff hanging around I'm not sure contributes to reader understanding rather than reader confusion (as quite a lot of songs are sampled and discussed in the article, I don't think the included "contains a sample" under "See also" helps most readers rather than forcing them to recall exactly what songs were where), but nothing that's outright banned at the GA level, and as I said this is overall clearly a high-quality labour of love. Happy to pass, even with nitpicks. Vaticidalprophet 06:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)