Talk:List of AMD Ryzen processors/Archive 2

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Rembrandt GFLOPS still missing

Hi, title says all I guess. Now that the GFLOPS are back, unfortunately they are still missing for the 6XXX mobile processors. I've said this previously a couple times, but maybe nobody has noticed. Unless I'm wrong, that info was present in previous versions of the page. Thanks in advance! Jose de la Mancha (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, yes indeed for the Ryzen 6000 series the iGPU GFLOPS and config columns are still missing, but are there in older versions of the template. I'm just taking a break from editing the tables, as performing the same edits to about 30+ something tables can get very repetitive and tiring. Yesterday I have re-added the config column to some of the Cezanne mobile APU tables. I've also got a lot of tasks to do at home right now, maybe I'll continue the work at a pace of one table every day. AP 499D25 (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Changing hierarchy of article from architecture to 'Ryzen #000 series'

This thread shall serve as a full log for the reasoning behind these changes, as well as if anyone disagrees with and wants to discuss these changes beforehand.

So currently, at the time of writing this message, the article is sorted like this:

Desktop / Mobile processors

. . Microarchitecture (e.g. Zen, Zen 3)

. . . . Codename (e.g. Renoir, Rembrandt)

I am intending to reorganise the layout of the article, to this:

Desktop / Mobile processors

. . Ryzen x000

. . . . Codename

The reason why I'm intending to make these changes, is that AMD, to this day, continues to manufacture and release processors based on several year old architectures, such as Zen 2, Zen 3, often "refreshing" / re-releasing them under a new model name. An example of this is the Ryzen 7000 "Mendocino" line of new Zen 2 + RDNA2 processors for budget notebooks, another good example is the "Rembrandt-R" line of Zen 3+ and RDNA2 notebook processors, which is a refresh of the original 6000 series Rembrandt line, also released under the Ryzen 7000 series name.

Which means, it makes a lot more sense, from a timeline perspective, to have the processors sorted by first digit of the Ryzen model numbering rather than by microarchitecture generation. It is quite clear here that AMD does not immediately discontinue old architectures when superseded by a new arch, and instead continues to make/implement them under refreshed and new product lines like what I wrote above. On top of that, the processors with Radeon graphics, aka the 'APUs', were architecturally one generation behind the desktop CPUs for a few years at least (for example in 2018 you had the Zen+ 2000 series desktop CPUs but for the 2000 series processors with graphics they were Zen 1 based). So with the current hierarchy it's also a bit difficult to compare / navigate between some CPUs and APUs released in a similar timeframe.

The Zen architecture articles (e.g. Zen 2, Zen 3) shall serve as the articles where you can see all implementations of an architecture at a glance.

AP 499D25 (talk) 11:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

This would bring it in line with how the List of AMD graphics processing units is arranged. For example, look at the mix of architectures in the desktop Radeon HD 7000 and HD 8000 series. The low end of the HD 6000 series (Cedar, Caicos, Turks) were rebadged three times. This rebadging of older architectures/nodes is driven by OEM demands. Once a new generation is released, OEMs don't want to sell computers with "old" GPUs in them; they insist on getting GPUs of the new generation, even if one matching their requirements (usually a low TBP and low cost) has not been made yet. They don't care about the architecture or specs, they just want to be able to advertise their PCs as being equipped with the latest generation. - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 13:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

+1 Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 21:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

This would defeat the whole purpose of the table redesign that just recently happened. All tables would be wider than before because new columns would need to be added which is bad for mobile viewers and even desktop viewers. Keeping it as it is for now seems better to me. RM12 (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

The change is about the "categorisation" of items (so the 'headings') in the list article, as well as what tables appear under what headings afterwards as appropriate after the change.

So instead of going Zen-based processors, Zen+-based processors, Zen 2-based processors, it goes: Ryzen 1000, Ryzen 2000 series, Ryzen 3000 series.

The tables themselves will remain untouched and there are no columns that need to be added to them. AP 499D25 (talk) 14:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay now I get your point, sorry. I would say categorizing by architecture makes it easier to differentiate between rebrands and actually new processors without going to the main architectural articles. So the change would make this list less useful in my opinion. RM12 (talk) 07:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

These edits will also go in conjunction with the Ryzen article where I am intending to summarise the information presented and remove all the lists of processors there, see here for the full log of it. AP 499D25 (talk) 10:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Athlon zen based

we should insert Athlon zen based in this page. While epyc is different series, the Athlon zen series is a very small series and we can consider it as a dual core ryzen, and desktop Athlons shared both architecture and socket with ryzen. Zen Athlon doesn't share anything with old Athlons — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.116.209.146 (talk) 23:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

The Athlon CPUs don't belong here on List of Ryzen CPUs, but rather, on List of Athlon processors. Athlon and Ryzen are separate brand names, have a very different history (Athlon comes before Ryzen), and there are separate articles on these processor brands, so anything Athlon should belong in Athlon articles, not here. —  AP 499D25  (talk) 03:41, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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