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Requested move 11 April 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Beyblade: Shogun Steel episodes → Beyblade: Shogun Steel (TV series) – To be consistent with Beyblade: Metal Fusion season 1, Beyblade: Metal Masters, and Beyblade: Metal Fury. 2A01:5A8:30D:955E:992F:5F07:7B08:F0D2 (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). ASUKITE 15:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 03:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listed to decide whether this should be moved as requested or whether another move is needed. Key discussion points are whether the series or the manga are the primary topic, whether the manga should be named as-is or if there is a better title we should use for that. I don't have an opinion myself.

See below for a recap of the discussion on WP:RM/TR:

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I would rather it be at just Beyblade: Shogun Steel but there is already a page with that name. My point was that the title should not contain "List of ...... episodes" and should just be the season name like the other seasons. Also, I was originally going to go with (TV season) rather than (TV series), but I went with (TV series) because I saw Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone (TV series) and Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy (TV series) which are also articles about individual seasons that use the (TV series) disambiguation.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:A8D7:5815:93A2:C0E2 (talk) 16:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another consideration is whether the manga or the series is the primary topic, and whichever that is should be at the root (not disambiguated) title. In this case, the pageviews are almost the same for both so the primary topic may be unclear. In that case disambiguation would be preferable with the root Beyblade: Shogun Steel being a disambiguation page (or just two hatnotes), but that's often a matter for discussion. The current title avoids this issue entirely because it has a different scope, but changing the title might demand that we evaluate this as well. ASUKITE 16:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The manga is not even called Beyblade: Shogun Steel, only the anime season is. Though renaming it to the manga name would be inconsistent with Beyblade: Metal Fusion where only the first season of the anime is called Beyblade: Metal Fusion while the manga series is called Metal Fight Beyblade. Tbh, I am not sure why Beyblade: Shogun Steel even warrants a separate page from Beyblade: Metal Fusion as it is in the same universe and it still has "Metal Fight Beyblade" and the manga for Seasons 2 and 3 also have their own subtitles, "Metal Fight Beyblade: Baku" and "Metal Fight Beyblade: 4D" and although it features a different cast of characters, so do most of the Beyblade Burst series. But apparently it is considered a "separate manga" according to this user. I do not know much about the manga, only the anime, so I have no idea if it being a "separate manga" is true or not, but whether it should be separate or not is a topic for another discussion. --2A01:5A8:30D:955E:A8D7:5815:93A2:C0E2 (talk) 17:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ASUKITE 15:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Anime and manga has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 15:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not just a list of episodes, it is a page for the season like Beyblade: Metal Fusion season 1, Beyblade: Metal Masters, and Beyblade: Metal Fury (which is why it has a season infobox and why it has the Beyblade seasons category). We already have a list of episodes for the show as a whole at List of Beyblade: Metal Saga episodes that covers Shogun Steel, so this title does not make sense.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:F0F0:8A57:50C0:AADA (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shogun Steel is the adaption of a different manga and Metal Saga's seasons is adaptation of a different manga. Shogun Steel doesn't have multiple seasons like Metal Saga so it's fine like this. Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except we are not talking about the manga here, we are talking about the anime. Shogun Steel is just a Season 4 of the same show, not a sequel show. An article about a TV season should be called by the season's name, not "List of ..... episodes".--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:3C27:B37D:3CB:9DE (talk) 04:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said an article already exists, why do you want seperate articles for manga and anime? Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this page is more than just a "list of episodes", it is essentially a season page as it has a season infobox, the Beyblade seasons category, and it is the page that it is linked to in the next parameter in the infobox for Beyblade: Metal Fury. As such, it should follow the proper naming convention for TV seasons.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:3C27:B37D:3CB:9DE (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think merging this article into Beyblade: Shogun Steel would be a better option than moving it to Beyblade: Shogun Steel (TV series). Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 05:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already asked this, but do you actually have a source for the volume numbers restarting from Shogun Steel? Because the Beyblade Wiki lists them as Volumes 12-14, not Volumes 1-3.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:3C27:B37D:3CB:9DE (talk) 06:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have the manga copy but just search "Beyblade Shogun Steel manga" on Google and you'll get the answer or maybe this is enough ? Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 08:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I looked it up and you are right. I looked at this too and https://beyblade.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Metal_Fight_Beyblade_4D_Chapters the numbers for Masters/Fury really do continue from the numbers from Fusion, so you are right that it is a separate manga, so the Beyblade: Shogun Steel should stay separate from Beyblade: Metal Fusion. However, that does not change the fact that this page should not be called the way it is now.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:3C27:B37D:3CB:9DE (talk) 08:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this article gets moved to Beyblade: Shogun Steel (TV series) then it should be merged with Beyblade: Shogun Steel, what do you think? Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 12:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like it would be too weird/inconsistent for this to be the only Metal Saga season that shares its page with its source material while the others have their own pages. Yes, I know, the Metal Saga manga was adapted as three seasons while the Shogun Steel one was adapted as a single season but still.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:508F:405D:E62D:1E4F (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think if we don't merge then it will be more weird. Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 02:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. TV series articles, regardless if they are anime or not, are first created at the base title and only when they need to be split, are split into seasons, episodes, lists, etc. Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relist to give time for additional discussion, and consideration for merge as suggested ASUKITE 16:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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