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Peter Simpson is palaces top goal scorer 165 goal scored I believe!

All-Time Topscorers

What about Arthur Rowley?--Carlosaguila87 (talk) 16:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of Jack Rowley's goals were outside the top flight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.197.139.76 (talk) 10:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

David Jack and extending the all time top division scorers list to top 20

Anyone any ideas why David Jack wasn't listed in the top 10? I have added him but feel free to sanity check that his stats and the number goals in the top division.

Also I've extended the list to top 20. Anyone inclined to, please check the stats.

Seasons or Years?

Since the football calendar tends to start in August of one year then ends in May of the other would it be better if the list was converted from years to seasons? I will do it next week if there are no objections.Perfectamundo (talk) 17:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Format

I think the format of the list could be improved. I suggest a chronological list followed by a summary table listing only those who have been the top scorer multiple times. --Jameboy (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. It's a bit weird that there doesn't seem to be a chronological list of top scorers anywhere, although there is for the Premier League era. Robofish (talk) 17:26, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Aldridge

The sentence about John Aldridge being “last home nation…” appears to be contradicted by the previous remarks about 3 Englishmen. If I’m wrong then it could it be simplified ? Timmytimtimmy (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed this : The last home nation top scorer was John Aldridge, the Republic of Ireland international scored 26 goals for Liverpool in the 1987–88 season.^[1] Timmytimtimmy (talk) 02:45, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the intention was “last non-English home nation”? If true possibly worth reinstating. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 02:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Ireland is not a "Home Nation". Cripesohblimey (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Goalscorers for the 1987-1988 season - LFChistory - Stats galore for Liverpool FC!". www.lfchistory.net. Retrieved 2022-09-22.

Losing goals

There is a thread through this article about scorers “losing goals” by scoring before Premier League era. I praise the effort to include all scorers but the notion of “losing goals” is not easily or well explained and it is a novel idea so not readily understood. Could it be rephrased or reshaped into something easier to grasp. I’ll leave to the original writer or others to respond before possibly hacking it myself. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for late reply, just seen these. You're right about the last non-English home nation quote above. As for the 'lost' goals before 1992 please go ahead and rephrase it so it is more easily understood. I'm sure you already have something in mind, I agree it does need explained. Spare Koppers (talk) 15:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Top five scorers by nationality

This section is really weird. It seems to be broken down into:

Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland
Wales
Europe (excluding UK)
South America
Africa
Oceania
US & Canada
Caribbean
South Africa
Central America
Asia

So, to start off with, most of these aren't actually nations. Football classification is generally done by continental federation, and the groupings here don't match up - e.g US, Canada, Caribbean, and Central America are all in CONCACAF and Israel is in UEFA, not AFC. Why is South Africa separate from the rest of Africa? If one list is "Europe (excluding UK)" then that should include Ireland, which is not in the UK. Cripesohblimey (talk) 10:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ouch. Republic of Ireland is clearly part of 'Europe (excluding UK)'. It is what Freddie Ayer would have called a category error. OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Premier League emphasis

This article is about scoring records in the top tier of English football. There seems to me to be to much emphasis on, and bias towards, Premier League records. For example, records for Home Nations players are listed as Premier League records then all-time records in the prose. Premier League records can go in a separate article. Cripesohblimey (talk) 08:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wilfred Zaha

Zaha is no longer at Palace and shouldn’t be in bold for club top scorers, Josh King is also still an active player but not at Bournemouth and is rightly not in bold text 2605:8D80:660:A9FA:B1C8:B337:7805:E4D7 (talk) 15:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Goalscorers for the 1987-1988 season - LFChistory - Stats galore for Liverpool FC!". www.lfchistory.net. Retrieved 2022-09-22.

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