Talk:List of wars involving Magadha

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Article Reconstruction

I will be reconstructing article as the citations have broken down, i will be only adding wars with a wiki article page already existing. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Garudam, sources or citations aren't needed for wars already having a main article on them. As the necessary sources are already present in that main article.

For example - Kalinga War. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also you removed Gupta dynasty, which WAS the ruling dynasty of Magadha. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citations are required for events linked to a parent article, rather than having a separate article of its own. Additionally, the inclusion of the Gupta Empire is unacceptable. If this disruption continues, I will be forced to strike my vote, simply because the synth mess would be beyond reparable. Garudam ^Talk! 17:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your the one disrupting. Citations aren't required if a parent article already exists (eg - Kalinga War).

This article is about the Magadhan Polities or Empires.

Gupta Empire

Gupta and Later Guptas were the classical sovereigns of magadha. And often known as the Second Magadhan Empire.

@Garudam JingJongPascal (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also "Classical Magadha" doesn't mean anytning.

I have mentioned "Classical Magadhan Polities" which literally means Magadhan political entities during the Classical era of India, it's to denote a time period

Same way as in List of wars involving India, it doesn't represent a different entity. JingJongPascal (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Gupta and Later Guptas were the classical sovereigns of magadha. And often known as the Second Magadhan Empire." Because you say so? For the last time, please stop doing original research. Garudam ^Talk! 18:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

classical is a era of Indian history

Same way as medeival.

And Guptas were also the kings of Magadha

Check out Gupta Empire, they were based in magadha. JingJongPascal (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'''They were the seventh ruling dynasty of Magadha''' @Garudam JingJongPascal (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we know that Classical era is historical, that is not what I am asking, Guptas did not originated from Magadha; see Origin of the Gupta dynasty, you need to go through a whole bunch of course before making such pov ridden articles. And they were not "seventh ruling dynasty of Magadha", at this point your are just saying anything. Garudam ^Talk! 10:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the first line of Gupta Empire, their origin doesnt matter, what matters is that they ruled from Magadha, which they did.

They were seventh ruling dynasty of Magadha. Maybe step back now JingJongPascal (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't rule Magadha, the cited source in the lead of Gupta Empire says otherwise and early Magadha was only limited to south Bihar. Garudam ^Talk! 14:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources that say they were ruling dynasty of magadha

1) https://www.britannica.com/topic/Gupta-dynasty#:~:text=Gupta%20dynasty%2C%20rulers%20of%20the,the%20late%206th%20century%20ce.

2)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=fWVZWjNAcAgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Gupta+empire&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Magadha&f=false

3)

Decline of the Kingdom of Magadha

4)

https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Gupta_Empire/uYXDB2gIYbwC?hl=en

5)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=V3KDaZY85wYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Kingdom+of+magadha&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp67-6tISKAxUGk1YBHVYlB80Q6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q=Kingdom%20of%20magadha&f=false (also mentions Later Guptas) JingJongPascal (talk) 15:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Garudam JingJongPascal (talk) 15:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides Britannica, every other source concludes that the origin of the Gupta was in the eastern Uttar Pradesh, read Goyal pp 41-52 the whole narrative of involving Guptas in Magadha is constructively debunked. Garudam ^Talk! 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origin and ruling are two different things.

Delhi Sultanate were rulers of Delhi but not from Delhi. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How does that even make sense? Did you even read the source above? Garudam ^Talk! 16:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They weren't official Magadha origin,but they did rule magadha for god sake.

Their capital was Pataliputra. They rulers of Magadha. Origin doesnt matters. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you didn't go through the sources, as I thought. Huh, the same source states that neither Pataliputra was the capital of the Guptas, nor has a single inscription been found in Bihar. You’re just replying to every comment without researching the topic. Garudam ^Talk! 17:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, it's not about their origin.

I have given you 5 sources that provide they ruled *from* magadha but were natives from there.

I say maintain status quo for now. JingJongPascal (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]