Talk:List of wind deities

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No! Don't merge it! Lunar deity is not the same as Wind God! The Hindu Wind God is Vayu, the Hindu Lunar God is Chandra! They are different! David G Brault (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that was my mistake... in the process of checking if there were any existing articles discussing wind gods, my mind slipped and lunar god somehow came to mind... I really, truly, can see the difference... it was just a momentary lapse in mind. I have removed the merge, renamed to Wind god for convention, and created a link from Weather god. Again, sorry for any confusion I caused. --Marcinjeske (talk) 00:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sídhe

Mr. Fyrael, You removed "Sídhe" from the article "Wind god" with the explanation "...this doesn't belong here". Was it because: a) I described the Sídhe as faeries instead of gods; b) The Sídhe are a group rather than an individual; or c) Some other reason? Cathbhadh III (TALK) 00:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Points a and b are exactly why I thought the entry didn't fit the term "Wind god." -- Fyrefly (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for answering. The Sídhe can as easily be described as "gods and goddesses" or a "pantheon." Faeries vs. gods is a disagreement in the Celtic pagan community that never leaves everybody happy.

To be encyclopedic, however, I believe this article should contain pointers to all references to the wind as a, or the, god that exist anywhere in Wikipedia. Omitting it because because it is plural is inconsistent with other entries, and perhaps a bit "culturally" myopic. In comparative religion synchronism (explaining one set of beliefs in terms of another) is a source of misunderstanding and misinformation. An example would be Cesar saying "Lugh is the Celts' Mercury." In this case the expectation that the Celts had "a" god of wind, like the Greeks or Romans, is synchronism. The Sídhe, although certainly hierarchical, are polypotent, that is they have more than one power. They are each a wind god or goddess. Additionally, listing The Dagda, Manannán, Cailleach Beara, Banshees et al separately as wind gods would not only be absurd but would also quickly fill all such articles with long lists of Celtic deities.

Does this relieve your concerns?Cathbhadh III (TALK) 10:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After reading reading your arguments and the article more thoroughly, I do agree with you that the Sidhe would qualify as gods. However, I would still question their association with the wind. I understand that they were polypotent, but if we included any deities whose powers may or may not include the wind, then we may as well include the Christian god, Muslim god and many others. In my opinion, the article should stay focused on deities that have a specific association with the wind (I know you said that the word "Sidhe" can be translated to "wind," but I don't see a mention of wind anywhere in the Sidhe article). Is there a particular faction or individual perhaps that is often connected with the wind among this group that we could include?

Also, I'd really like to move this conversation to Talk: Wind god, since that's where discussion of a particlar article usually takes place and then other editors can contribute their ideas. Would that be alright with you? -- Fyrefly (talk) 14:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The more discussion the better. Yeats wrote, in his Notes to The Collected Poems (1933) "Sidhe is also Gaelic for wind, and certainly the Sidhe have much to do with the wind. They journey in whirling wind, the winds that were called the dance of the daughters of Herodias in the Middle Ages, Herodias doubtless taking the place of some old goddess. When old country people see the leaves whirling on the road they bless themselves, because they believe the Sidhe to be passing by." I am using a new printing, from 1996, and someone has added notes to his Notes indicating that the Old Irish word Sidhe means "blast, puff, gust," not "wind" per se. The association of the Sidhe -- by a wide assortment of names -- with the wind, both anciently and contemporarily, abounds in stories and myths.

You are correct that the Judeo/Christian/Muslim God could be sited as a Wind god. This point is well argued by Campbell in The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology. So far as I could find, it is not presently presented in any Wikipedia article on that God, and so does not belong in the 'Wind god' article, yet.Cathbhadh III (TALK) 16:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, certainly sounds convincing enough to me. I would have no problem with restoring the entry, though I would recommend adding a little bit of the above details so that other readers and editors aren't confused about why it fits this category like I was. Also, if the association to wind is made in many stories, maybe it would be a good addition to Sidhe. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. -- Fyrefly (talk) 17:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Susanoo-no-Mikoto

Could the Japanese god Susanoo-no-Mikoto (or simply Susanoo) also could as a wind god/deity? Here are some examples as evidence:

• "From Izanagi's left eye came Amaterasu-Ōmikami, the goddess of the sun, from his right eye, the moon god, Tsukiyomi-no-Mikoto, and from his nostrils, Susa-no-Wo-no-Mikoto, the god of stormy, violent wind." (The National Faith of Japan by D. C. Holton)

• "Izanagi returns to Earth and purifies himself, and as he does so, new deities appear including Amaterasu, the sun goddess, Tsukuyomi, the moon god, and Susanoo, god of the wind." (https://takelessons.com/blog/japanese-mythology-z05)

• "In contrast to Amaterasu (sun) and Tsukuyomi (moon), Susanoo has been associated with wind and rain, but many elements of his personality remain unclear." (Kadoya Atsushi, Encyclopedia of Shinto; http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=143) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.251.111 (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Cam dubs"?

Just reading the description for Ne-o-gah... what do they mean by 'cam dubs'? Is this a typo? 101.181.100.101 (talk) 22:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

also, Charlotte as the name of an Iroquois wind god seems highly unlikely...especially because there is no citation. This page needs a lot more citations! 101.181.100.101 (talk) 22:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reports. The "Charlotte" was from earlier this month, and the "cam dubs" (plus some more stuff) was from March 2019. I've reverted all of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]