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Lycian?

Lyceum being the usual English version of Lykeion, hence Lycean Apollo, if this form is to be used rather than Apollo Lykeios or Apollo of the Lyceum. Any source for "Lycian" Apollo? Would a move be appropriate?--Wetman (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have 4 hits on JSTOR with "Lycian Apollo" and two with "Lycaean Apollo" (one article mentions both). It appears "Apollo Lykeios" is the most frequent form, by far: 26 hits for on JSTOR, used e.g. by the Perseus Sculpture Catalog, B.S. Ridgway and A. Stewart. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 20:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I recall a source about about Lycaeum origin inverse to that in this article, as geting it's name of Lycaeum from Aristotle's teaching near the temple of Apollo Lykaeios, which Asymov there inferes was consecrated to Apollo the Wolf Killer. The same source (and I think at the same page) also describes where acadmeia and gimnasium come from.^[1] The original is in clasic Greek, and English words came through latin (e.g. lykaeion - lycaeum - lyceum; in classic Latin I think there were no lower case letters, so no special capitalization of first letters of words is known about).

About how some Greek gods, including Apollo, came to be linked to wolf, see Lykaia. Apollo Lykaios shows that the statue of Apollo in the temple where Aristotle taught, got it's epithet from elsewhere, but doesn't cite sources (Asymov could right about Lyceum originating from Apollo Lxkaeios and not inverse, but mistaken about wolf killer). I'll see if I can find some sources to elucidate this a bit more.^[2] Arrticle in new world's Encyclopedia seems well sourced (but refers also to wikipedia as one of sources, so circular ref could be possible; photo of Apollo statue is there acompanied with text "Lycian Apollo, early Imperial Roman copy of a fourth century Greek original (Louvre Museum)", but if it is not so named at Louvre, I don't see other supporting citation.^[3] So, nothing definitive yet. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 12:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sfumato?

The figure's "pronounced sfumato" struck me as a malapropism for contrapposto, marble being such a concrete medium for expressing sfumato, but you never know...--Wetman (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sfumato is Martinez' choice of word. It's not about posture, it's about the "smoothness" of the body and face features. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 20:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ Asimov, Isaac (1974). Words of science and the history behind them (Fully revised and updated ed.). London: Harrap. p. 9. ISBN 9780245522284. Retrieved 17 November 2024.
^ Franklin, Alberta Mildred (1921). "Chapter III The Wolf-Deity in Greece". The Lupercalia. Faculty of Philosophy, Columbia University New York. Retrieved 17 November 2024.
^ "Apollo". New World Encyclopedia. New World Encyclopedia. Retrieved 17 November 2024.

[WordsofScience-1] Asimov, Isaac (1974). Words of science and the history behind them (Fully revised and updated ed.). London: Harrap. p. 9. ISBN 9780245522284. Retrieved 17 November 2024.

[Lupercalia-2] Franklin, Alberta Mildred (1921). "Chapter III The Wolf-Deity in Greece". The Lupercalia. Faculty of Philosophy, Columbia University New York. Retrieved 17 November 2024.

[ApolloNWE-3] "Apollo". New World Encyclopedia. New World Encyclopedia. Retrieved 17 November 2024.

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