Talk:Maria: or, The Wrongs of Woman

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July 17, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
August 6, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
September 7, 2007	WikiProject peer review	Reviewed
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October 30, 2007	Featured topic candidate	Promoted
August 23, 2022	Featured topic removal candidate	Demoted
July 22, 2023	Featured article review	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 12, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that while Mary Wollstonecraft (pictured) wrote her revolutionary treatise the Rights of Woman in six weeks, its novelistic sequel, The Wrongs of Woman, was still unfinished at her death, despite a year's work?
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Archive 1 - July 2007 - September 2007, including the GA review, FAC comments, and a discussion of the page's name

Punctuation of book title

I can find Maria, or The Wrongs of Woman, Maria or The Wrongs of Woman and even The Wrongs of Woman, or Maria, but I see no source for the counterintuitive punctuation in the article title at present. Source plaease? Kevin McE (talk) 07:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2][3][4] all have it as "Maria(colon) or(comma) The Wrongs of Woman". Another variation is to use a capital O in "Or" ([5][6]). Considering that if you look at the actual text, it says:

MARIA
or
The Wrongs of Woman

...I think you can see why there is a wide variety of punctuation styles. Suffice it to say that the current style is one of the accepted forms. However, that first link I found says that the title in England is actually "The Wrongs of Woman(colon) or(comma) Maria" but the American edition switched it around. That being the case, a page move to "The Wrongs of Woman(colon/semicolon) or(optional comma) Maria" is probably warranted. howcheng {chat} 00:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Maria: or, The Wrongs of Woman/Archive 1#Page name for previous discussion. Awadewit suggests just The Wrongs of Woman. Kaldari (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I already had: it is thoroughly inconclusive.

I have certainly never seen Title One(colon) or(comma) Title Two before as an indication of alternative titles. Is this something contemporary to the author? Is it an ENGVAR issue? It seems to be one of several possible presentations of the two titles of the beek: do we have a relevant convention in Wikipedia? If so, is this in keeping with it? If not, then I would suggest that this title is against the principle of least surprise: it is contrary to both normal grammar and common sense. Kevin McE (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The general convention seems to be Title One(comma) or Title Two, (for example, Hans Brinker) but I haven't researched it thoroughly. Kaldari (talk) 20:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Although here's an example of someone using the Title One(colon) or(comma) Title Two style. So I guess there is precedent for it. Kaldari (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is actually, even more strangely, Title One(semicolon) or(comma) Title Two. Curiouser and curiouser. Kevin McE (talk) 01:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pronoun ambiguity

In the following sentences...

"After Venables sells Maria to one of his friends, a Mr. S—, Maria tries to leave him, but she fails. She initially escapes and manages to live in several different locations, often with other women who have also been wronged by their husbands, but he always finds her."

...who does the 'he' refer to? Venables or Mr. S—? Perhaps it would clear things up if it were elaborated as to what "sells" means in this context. Kaldari (talk) 04:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I read the section of the book and have fixed the sentence. She does not actually end up sold to Mr. S—. The attempt to prostitute her fails immediately and leads Maria to declare that she is leaving Venables. Kaldari (talk) 04:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Maintenance tags for over two years, and over 500 google scholar hits since 2019 only; listing at WP:FARGIVEN, as the article is not being maintained. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]