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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result: Move Martigny, Switzerland to Martigny. -- User:Docu

For some time, the article about the city in Switzerland was located at Martigny, Switzerland, but linked directly through a redirect from Martigny. The disambiguation page is at Martigny (disambiguation). As it appeared to be a fairly uncontroversial move, I moved Martigny, Switzerland to Martigny. The move was undone though.

Placement of the article at Martigny is in line with WP:DAB#Primary_topic. The other three places with the same name have about 500 inhabitants and Wikipedia "articles" consisting of a single sentence. Other similar place names already include a disambiguator in its name (e.g. Martigny-les-Bains). (Not that it matters much, but most places are located in France and in the French language Wikipedia, the article is also at fr:Martigny).

Thus, I'd like to move the article back to Martigny. -- User:Docu

I oppose the move. The town of Martigny in Switzerland may well be bigger than the other ones, but as far as I know, it does not meet the "well known primary meaning" criteria as documented in WP:DAB#Primary_topic. Kiwipete (talk) 09:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which one of the outlined criteria do you feel it doesn't meet? Which ones of the listed "Martigny" do you know? -- User:Docu

As I stated above, it does not meet the "well known primary meaning" criteria. To illustrate this point, I was not aware of any Martigny before starting to edit this article. In other words, it is not obvious why the Martigny in Switzerland should be the subject of the main Martigny article rather than any of the Martignys in France. P.S. please remember to sign your posts. Kiwipete (talk) 00:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You did state that before, but you didn't explain how it wouldn't these criteria.

One of the criteria given is that most links in other Wikipedia articles would be about this Martigny. While many articles link to the article about Martingy, Switzerland, this isn't the case for, e.g. Martigny, Aisne: the only links from other articles (Special:WhatLinksHere/Martigny,_Aisne) are currently from Communes of the Aisne department and Arrondissement of Vervins, all others are generated through a hidden link in a navigation template.
Further, as the redirect always pointed to this Martigny, we can assume that the consensus is for the primary meaning to be this Martigny.

Besides, for almost four years, the only Martigny with an article was this one. -- User:Docu

The below text had been added unsigned into my above comment [1], thus I moved it here. It relates to the two points of my previous post. -- User:Docu

- Yes, this is the one reason for the main article to be about Martigny in Switzerland. Could you not have stated this earlier?

- Well, I guess that, as always, "assume" makes an ass of you and me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwipete (talk • contribs)

The other Martignys seem quite puny but this one, despite its storied history only has ca. 15,000 residents. No matter what the decision on notability, the present situation is not ideal. Martigny should be either the dab page or the article on the Swiss town but should not be merely a redirect itself. — AjaxSmack 00:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. Primary topic, per Docu. Sandstein (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the Martigny that springs to my mind; the argument about the internal links is the most persuasive reason to support the move, however. If the situation changes again in the future and a fair proportion of internal links are to other Martigny's then we can re-assess and return to this setup, or change to one more appropriate. Knepflerle (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support move because of, and despite, the reasons given above. Kiwipete (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, primary use, the French Martignys are 25 times smaller and I didn't know them before. Markussep ^Talk 11:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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