Talk:Mr. Turner

Locations, etc.

We need details of the locations for: the background to the opening credits - somewhere in Holland, the location and the locomotive to illustrate Rain, Steam and Speed and the superb reproduction of the lighting conditions in the Fighting Temeraire scene. IMDb is no help on these. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mysterious Experiment

In the film the Mary Somerville character demonstrates to Turner and his father that an iron needle becomes magnetised when exposed to the violet rays in the solar spectrum, and does not when exposed to red rays. I can't connect this with anything in my knowledge of real physics, and I wonder if it is an invention by the film-makers, or if Mary Somerville did in fact claim some spurious observation of this kind. Redcliffe maven (talk) 09:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, a real paper to the Royal Society in 1825: [1]. But her article. Mary Fairfax Somerville. does not say much about it. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your reference contains " In 1826 she presented her paper entitled "The Magnetic Properties of the Violet Rays of the Solar Spectrum" to the Royal Society. .......Although the theory presented in her paper would eventually be refuted by the investigations of others, it distinguished her as a skilled scientific writer respected among her colleagues." So the makers of "Mr Turner" chose to present to us an erroneous piece of physics rather than the real astronomical achievements of Mary Somerville presumably because it had more visual appeal. This could confuse students learning physics. Is this justified? I don't think so.Redcliffe maven (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"... students learning physics"?! Are you mad? In a film biography anything is justified! Or do you think engineering students might be confused by an alternate view of the modern world? But, if you are interested, here's a slightly more thoughtful treatment: [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Move as proposed. We have consensus that the film is the primary topic of the term "Mr. Turner". I'll create a hat note pointing to the dab page. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

– Mr. Turner is presently a redirect to the recurring fictional Fairly OddParents character. Unreal7 (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Clearly the primary topic. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:11, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The primary topic is Ted Turner, not either of these two topics. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:56, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Primary. Although surprised that's the only character called "Mr Turner". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not the only character, see Turner (surname)#Fictional characters -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:56, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving the film article to Mr. Turner, but no need to make an article for the Fairly OddParents character. Just mention the character in the hatnote. Erik II (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:28, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I just realised what a blunder I made - it's not a redirect at all. Unreal7 (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it really matters TBH - this film is the primary topic and the character is barely worth having a hatnote for. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 06:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose yes, create a Fairly OddParents redirect, but do not move the film. Instead "Mr. Turner" should redirect to Turner (surname), because the most obvious Mr. Turner is Ted Turner which is neither of the two topics presented here; or Turner (disambiguation); Mr. Turner is currently a disambiguation page, so should not be moved to the proposed location. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Primary topic. Ted Turner is not a "Mr.". Dimadick (talk) 06:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Although his Sunrise with Sea Monsters is very good. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen any news of him having a sex change operation, so he is a Mr. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 03:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No one's going to search for him under the name "Mr Turner", though. Unreal7 (talk) 09:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, I rather think some people will do that, since people refer to him as that in blog and forum postings. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 01:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect "Mr. Turner" to "Turner (surname)" per the above IP. Timmy Turner's dad is not more relevant than all other male Turners combined. While Ted Turner is the most relevant male Turner, I doubt "Mr. Turner" would be a common search term for him. O N R (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- No one in their right mind is going to search "Mr Turner" for any reason other than to find either the film or the fictional character. Unreal7 (talk) 10:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect "Mr. Turner" to "Turner (surname)" as most logical solution to issues above. — Cirt (talk) 23:45, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving the film article to Mr. Turner per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; oppose redirecting Mr. Turner to Turner (surname). No evidence has been given that reader searching "Mr Turner" are seeking a surname article. If the move succeeds, I support deleting the DAB page per WP:TWODABS; use hatnotes. — AjaxSmack 01:34, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The surname article lists males with the name Turner, therefore is exactly what the search term is. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - The disambiguation page is probably the intended target about 1% of the time when someone searches "Mr Turner". Unreal7 (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - The surname page lists the person they are looking for, so is an intermediary point. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 10:50, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - They are NOT looking for a person - they are looking for the film. Why is that so hard to understand? Unreal7 (talk) 14:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Direction of Photography

It seems like Mr. Pope's cinematography is worthy of a section in the article, although his awards are mentioned. Both the interior scenes and the remarkable landscapes and sunsets and seascapes were done entirely in camera according the him. DonPMitchell (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual Behavior of Mr Turner and His Housekeeper

The plot summary was found to contain the following language: "loved by his housekeeper, Hannah Danby, whom he takes for granted and occasionally exploits sexually". A plot summary should be brief and objective, and I think the use of the word "exploits" crosses a line into polemics. Agreed that power dynamics between men and women generally, and between employers and employees in particular, were more starkly unbalanced two hundred years ago than they are today, but to therefore characterize EVERY sexual encounter between a male employer and a female employee as exploitation seems excessive. In the film, it seems clear to some of us that she craved his attention and felt gratified by it; she was emotionally devastated to discover that he had another sexual partner. Admittedly she was neither physically attractive nor verbally skilled nor possessed of independent wealth. Admittedly his approach to her was crude. But to characterize the relationship as exploitation seems unwarranted on these grounds. There is no evidence that she was unwilling to be used in this way by her employer, nor was she obviously unable to give or to withhold consent. Unless you wish to argue that EVERY sexual encounter between a man and a woman or employer and employee is exploitative in nature regardless of what the woman thinks, the word "exploits" seems excessive here. I therefore propose we modify the relevant sentence to read as follows: "loved by his housekeeper, Hannah Danby, whom he takes for granted and occasionally uses sexually". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0AB:8D00:D4E4:CF82:96DA:7261 (talk) 09:54, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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