Talk:Nailsea & Backwell railway station

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On 29 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Nailsea & Backwell railway station. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Fact checking before GA

'Free' car park? There's a free car park left on the UK network? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, Nailsea is a free parking zone. Technically the station's in Backwell, but same difference. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Opening

I'd add something about the opening of the line. At present we have the opening date of the station (14 June 1841, which I've verified in Butt), but no indication of whether the line opened at the same time, or if the line was already open and the opening of this station was somehow delayed.

MacDermot, E.T. (1931). History of the Great Western Railway, vol. II: 1863-1921. Paddington: Great Western Railway. pp. 133–4, 617. OCLC 55853736.

Something like "The first sections of the B&E, those between Bristol and Bridgwater and the branch to Weston-super-Mare, opened on 14 June 1841. Nailsea was one of the original stations; it was the first one after Bristol, and the next was Yatton (then known as Clevedon Road)". --Redrose64 (talk) 11:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

I'd like to add this flickr photo to the article. The flickr user is clearly not copyright holder, so his all rights reserved is pointless. It is pre-1907, so good chance of PD, but can't really know without knowing the author. I've seen lots of this sort of photo/postcard around, does anyone know where they come from? -mattbuck (Talk) 13:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The handwritten text in white (which would be written in black on the negative) suggests to me that it's not a postcard, but one of the GWR's official photos. As such, it might not have been published. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Postcards commonly had such annotations too. Nor did the GWR generally identify GWR stations as such - it was either just implicit, or on promotional material it was made a stronger feature of.

Has Matt got in touch with the Flickr uploader? I have a vague recollection they're on WP anyway. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I commented on the photo, shall try a flickrmail. But I don't think they're the copyright holder, so their relicensing would just be flickrwashing. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:13, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, he has replied to me: Its a copy of a postcard by Garrott, purchased on eBay, Sorry, no more information available.. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is now, assuming this Garrott is the photographer, when did they die? Needs to be 70 years for PD. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Per Carl Lindberg at commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Uploading_an_ARR_flickr_image_I_believe_may_be_PD, we have to wait until 2017. Curse the UK's lack of a "70 years since publication" PD term. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(od) From a list of Bristol photographers:

Garratt, John William 1910 , 9 Station Road, Ashley Down Road 1947 Last entry

Garrett, John William 1905 9 Station Road, Ashley Down Road 1909 Last entry

Garrott, Garratt, Garrett? --Ning-ning (talk) 08:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Garr*tt of Ashley Down is a well-known Bristol photographer. If you go and talk to the postcard dealer at the top of Christmas Steps, they've got plenty. I don't know their dates though. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed in 1974?

I'm more than a little uneasy about the claim in Oakley and Butt (did one copy the other, perhaps?) that the station was renamed 'Nailsea' in 1974. Neither source gives a date for it reverting to 'Nailsea and Backwell'.

I've looked through a number of railway magazines from 1974 but couldn't find a mention of the name change, but I did find timetables in 1977 and 1978 using 'Nailsea and Backwell'. I haven't been able to turn up a 1974 timetable just yet... Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All 12 editions of S.K. Baker Rail Atlas Great Britain and Ireland show either "Nailsea & Backwell" or "Nailsea and Backwell". --Redrose64 (talk) 19:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nailsea and Backwell railway station/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk · contribs) 18:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found.

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
~~In the lead: "The station car park, which is frequently full by 8am on weekdays, ", but in the body: "but this is frequently full by 7:30am on weekdays,". Inconsistency.~~ Done
Fixed -mattbuck (Talk) 20:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~A number of stray sentences would be better consolidated into paragraphs.~~
I've done my best, but some things just don't consolidate well, for instance the steam train mentioned in history, or journey times in services. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well compliance with the MoS on prose style is mandatory for GA. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, but for the record I find that this attempt to meet GA criteria has resulted in a less accessible article. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prose is good and generally consistent with the MoS apart from the short sentences mentioned above.

I made one copy-edit.[1]
Oops. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Sources appear RS, spotchecks confirm information, no evidence of OR.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Thorough coverage, not sure if the bus crash and dead body are really needed, but I won't quibble.
I think that the train fire is probably notable enough but the other incidents are not. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The attack incidents are notable to my mind, at least one was followed up on in the papers. Bridge strikes are mentioned in at least one other GA, and dead bodies I consider a fairly notable occurrence. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will ask for a second opinion on this. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the level of coverage I would say the attack incidents and the train fire are both notable. The dead body probably isn't; I had to take a suicide out of another station GA for lack of notability, and that incident had about the same amount of coverage as the body. Based on coverage alone I would say the bridge strike isn't notable either, but I'd like to know what the other GA with a bridge strike is for comparison's sake. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bedminster railway station, although there were two of them. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like both of the bridge strikes at Bedminster affected train service, whereas the one here didn't (one source doesn't even mention the station), so I'd say to take that part out. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not happy about it, but removed. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Good fair coverage, no bias.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Stable, most edits made by nominator.
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Images from Commons, caption and appropriately licensed.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
On hold for a few minor issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Isues now addressed so I am happy to list this. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Nailsea and Backwell railway station

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nailsea and Backwell railway station's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Butt":

From Long Ashton railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 20. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Redland railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 196. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Filton Abbey Wood railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 96. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From London Paddington station: Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens. p. 180. ISBN 1-85260-508-1. R508.
From Stapleton Road railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 219. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Bristol Temple Meads railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Bristol Parkway railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 44. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Parson Street railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 181. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.
From Westbury railway station: Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 244. ISBN 1-85260-508-1. R508. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
From Bedminster railway station: Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 20,31. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 29 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 02:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nailsea and Backwell railway station → Nailsea & Backwell railway station – Station is named with ampersand per Great Western Railway and National Rail thus article name should reflect per MOS:&. Madditron (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The parish council and North Somerset council consistently use "and" but nearly everything else, including station signage, uses the ampersand making it the clear common name. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Ampersands are generally best expanded unless they are exclusively used. See WP:AMPERSAND. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Ampersands are so 2005. Irrespective of what the official name is I don't see the benefit or value having "&" over "and" - Means the same thing and does the same job. –Davey2010^Talk 23:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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