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Italian habits

Hello, I'm Italian and actually what you've written about name days in my country refers to the period up to the 50s-60s. Nowadays it's quite rare to be named after a saint or to receive gifts on your name day also in the south. Hope I've been helpful and sorry for my bad English :) --Puccia1996 (talk) 16:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm. Many Italians do not even know what day of the year is their name day! One could receive (provided their name were a saint's one) "name day wishes" by some older relative, at most, but it is increasingly rare nowadays. I would at least add a "citation needed" tag to the claim. --CBC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.75.176 (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

This article was created by merging Namesdays in Sweden and Namesdays in Finland. Please see the related talk pages for prior discussions (Talk:Namesdays in Sweden and Talk:Namesdays in Finland). --HappyDog 19:05, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The term chosen for this entry (Namesday) is not English. It offends against English usage. The correct term is Name day. Whether the term in the original Swedish has an 's' is irrelevant. Compound nouns are not constructed in this way in English. The article should be rewritten using the correct English terminology. Eilthireach 20:59, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I am English, and am not 'offended' by it's usage. Please try to be civil and not use such loaded terms. Regarding the article, I assume you have followed the above links and read previous discussions on this topic. It would be good for a concensus to be reached about the article name, but a more constructive approach to the issue would be helpful. In terms of the article content itself, you are free to edit it as you see fit - that is how a wiki works. I'm sure if someone disagrees with your edits they will be reverted quite quickly. --HappyDog 00:31, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Even if it does not offend you, it is ungrammatical. In English noun compounds, the secondary word (the one that functions as an adjective) is always singular. On the Talk:Namesdays_in_Sweden page, it is suggested that either the S or the one-word or both should be retained because of the Swedish usage, but this is silly. If I were to write an article on the Afrikaans Waterlemoenkonfytuniekompetisie (a textbook example of Afrikaans compound nouns), I would call it Watermelon-preserve Union Competition. If I called it Watermelonpreserveunioncompetition you would think I was mad. We just don't do that in English. --Taejo

One of the most notable features of English is its massive flexibility. Namesday is a perfectly reasonable usage, "grammatical" or not. Algebraist

Yes, but it is far less common than "name day" and the article title should not be plural. I have moved the article and adjusted the intro. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand where this idea that Namesday is grammatically incorrect comes from? It certainly is a little archaic but it is not grammatically incorrect. Messiah of rodents (talk) 21:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion

Apparently this is also applicable to other European countries, including Germany, according to User:Rvollmert. -- Beland 03:33, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It is also NOT a Catholic thing, as it is common practice here in Latvia, where the main 'branch' of christianity is protestant - Lutheranism.--159.148.174.220 11:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This traditon comes from church calendars. I guess, that it is pre-luteranic, but this tradition in Latvia isn`t connected with church anymore (in fact I`ve heard that name days in church are different from normal callendar) so maybe better deffinition would be that this tradiion is popular in countries influenced by cristianity (in Europe ?) or that it is influenced by church calendr Xil

Where is the stuff on namesdays in France? Alphax ^τεχ 00:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the stuff on name days in Mexico? Early morning phone calls and singing the mañanitas are still traditional in some circles. 68.0.156.26 03:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poland

I found at pl:Imieniny list where several dates are assigned to most of names. Why? --Kompik 11:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a lot like the Russian calendar, which if you look at a truly comprehensive one (buy a book on Russian names, for example), certain names have upwards of 20 name days. This is beccause there is more than one saint with the same name. — John 16:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where?

"...found in various Catholic and Eastern Orthodox countries" — in which countries exactly are these found? (Only in Sweden, Finland, Greece, Poland, Latvia, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary?) --Zoz (t) 19:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I googled and found name days calendars for Estonia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Greece, Austria, Bulgaria, France, Russia, Ukraine, Estonia, Spain, Croatia, USA, Canada. They are "unheard of" in the Middle East, in USA and posibly some other countries they are not tradition - some people are trying to introduce them. I'll change that sentence to "large parts of Europe" or something, I guess it'll be more exact location -- Xil/talk 11:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Namesdays → Name day … Rationale: Article name should be singular not plural; and the usual English spelling of this compound has a space, not written solid; Virtually all English compounds using nouns attributively have the attributive in the singular (e.g. "three day weekend"; "scissor kick"; "man-eater" … Please share your opinion at Talk:Namesdays. --jnestorius^(talk) 12:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion

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As this is a fairly clear case, I have moved the article. The previous discussion above suggests an existing consensus for a move. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks for moving it. It's obvious it should be called "name day," since that's how it's listed in English dictionaries, including The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. — John 16:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion

I have removed the notice proposing deletion of this page. It claims the subject is non-notable. As the article says, "It is common in large parts of Europe." That makes it notable. I agree that sources are needed, but this subject is sufficiently notable to be included in Wikipedia. --HappyDog 23:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope - a claim of notability means that it can't be speedied, however that doesn't make it notable. Also, none of the sub-articles have any sources. Addhoc 23:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you look above you will see that it has been rated as Mid-importance on the assessment scale by WikiProject Russia. I think the burden of proof is on you to show that it is not notable, in this case. What is your experience of this subject? You seem pretty sure that it should be deleted... --HappyDog 16:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've added sources and removed the unreferenced tag. Addhoc 20:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic - well done and thank you! --HappyDog 08:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finland Feb 29

The text says that in Finland February 29 is not a name day. This may be technically incorrect. I am under the impression that Finland holds to the original rule that leap year day (the bissextile) falls on February 24. Thus in leap year, it is February 24 that is not a name day, the name days for February 24 thru February 28 being celebrated one day later. I may be completely wrong on this. Ask a Finn. — Randall Bart Talk 00:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

add "Name Days" to the "On this day" Pages

I think that on each day page, (e.g. September 22) there should be a section at the bottom detailing the names which belong to each day? What's other peoples opinion on this? and is there another place I should ask this question? D-Ozols 11:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A great idea. — John (talk) 22:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea as well. Just keep in mind that the same names might be celebrated on different dates around the world. This is especially true for Christian countries on "the old calendar" and "the new" one. Anyhow, I hope this gets more support. --Cryout (talk) 03:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture section?

Name days feature a lot in Game of Thrones, should that be mentioned in an "In popular culture" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.12.83 (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising

I removed this as it looks non-notable and pretty much like advertising:

In 2004 an English name day enthusiast, Paul Feagan, collated a list of popular English names and studied their etymology in order to match them against the calendar of Saint's Feast Days. These English name days were then published on www.happynameday.com. Paul Feagan also owns the trademark 'Happy Name Day' for use on physical and electronic greeting cards, registered in the USA, Canada, United Kingdom and Ireland.

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Estonia or Lithuania?

I added WikiProject lines for Estonia and Lithuania, but I am unsure that these two Baltic countries bordering on Russia share name day traditions with Latvia, which is documented here. Comments?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 03:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying my edit

Sorry if the description of my edit about the Eastern Orthodox tradition seems confusing: I accidentally saved the changes before finishing the description. My point was, the Eastern Orthodox use the term “feast day”, just like the Catholics, and while it’s usually the day of the saint’s death, it can also be a celebration of the saint’s birth, transfer of relics, a council where the saint(s) took part, etc. --94.19.10.16 (talk) 04:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]