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ll cool j

there is not one single article where ll cool j says he used steroids. as a matter of fact, he vehemently denies it. therefore, i rmoved the part that says he admitted to using steroids —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

no clue how this edit page works

Deca-Durabolin was a brand name was it not? In either event I know it hasn't been commercially produced by the original manufacturer in decades that should be put in here somewhere for certain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.109.65 (talk) 00:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an H missing from the top ot the 3rd 6 carbon ring ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.36.75.21 (talk • contribs) 13:26, December 1, 2005.

No, it's a methyl group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GeeJo (talk • contribs) 23:55, December 13, 2005.

Nortestosterone now redirects here as is synonym see: Martindale, The Extra Pharmacopoeia, 30th ed, p1189

Tone of page is POV

Please fix the overall anti-steroid tone of this page, which is innapropriate for a scientific article and is laden with the War on Drugs mentality of the USA. Even the rationalization about how someone's test is still valid, even if they failed the test because of steroid-inoculated beef, carries an implicit "well, there's nothing we can do about it, and it serves them right anyway for not being more careful" kind of tit-tat-ness. The War on Drugs is not global, it is a US agenda, and prejudicial reportage of prosecutions from a prejudicial environment (US laws and IOC ass-puckering) is inherently in and of itself POV. But the tone of this article is POV. Think about it, if you can.Skookum1 17:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added some bits and pieces about its clinical use at the top, and moved the "doping side" to the bottom of the article to change the anti-drug theme! 82.32.203.68 19:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Howard?

OK, I'll bite, unless that's a vandal-edit. Was Howard involved in a steroid use scandal? It's not on his article page but if there's "copy" on it, it should obviously be there....in Australia, btw, nandrolone decaonate is/was a long-standing standard prescription for male contraceptive use, at bodybuilding-type dosages (400mg/wk); might explain all those great surfer bodies, but also might have something to do with John Howard's use, if there was any.Skookum1 09:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nandrolone Undecoanate?

Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca-Durabolin) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin).

I'm sure I've seen Nandrolone Undecoanate "somewhere in my travels". Is that the same thing as the phenylpropionate ester?Skookum1 09:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nandrolone undecanoate is listed under the martindale and BP (British pharmacopea), however it is not available commercially. It is available through underground labs. The undecanoate ester acts longer than the decanoate. 82.32.203.68 22:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The decanoate, undecanoate and phenylpropionate esters are all different compounds.

Ben 09:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial abuse cases

I removed this section because it was lacking in sources and was therefore a violation of WP:BLP. Any accusation or implication that a living person used nandrolone must be cited, WP:BLP allows no wiggle room in this regard. hateless 02:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tone of page un-scientific and biased

One of the reviewers above has abjurred Wiki's TOS. He has posted his personal opinion, inserting his emotions toward the United States, rather than providing scientific data. As is typical of his kind, he is the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately, the article now takes on the tone of his view, rather than a more unbiased view. For one, views of the researcher are not to be posted in wiki articles, regardless of whehter than can be proved true or untrue. For example, it may be true that Britain currently has the highest crime rate in the industrialized world (as per the U.N.), but a writer's personal attacks against Britain for having a high crime rate are unjustified and unscholarly. In this case, the writer's views are both inappropriate and erroneous. If the war on drugs is just the "mentality of the USA" then why, may I ask, does Scandinavia have more stringent anti-drug laws than the USA? The positive mentioning of drug use in Sweden is a defense punishable by fine and/or imprisonment. This may spread into the argument of freedom of expression more than drug use. Knee-jerk anti-American lambasts should NOT be tolerated on wiki. Wiki is not Slate.com or the BBC message boards. If you have hateful, vile things to say about America, save it for your own blogs. This entire article is ripe with political ideology. It should be completely rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guidosdad (talk • contribs) 19:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ough.... "Don't get mad. Get even". Agree, the atricle is un-scholarly and carries some opinions. The discussion page also carries some opinions, which it should do. But, .... The discussion page also carries some prejudicies: Here in Sweden we can actually publicly promote drug use, be that restricted drugs or not, without being fined or sent to prison :-) Until a couple of years ago, the legislation allowed the use of, but not the posession of, restricted drugs, but this has changed. (This meant that you could smoke a joint legally in sweden if someone else held it for you.)

213.238.236.106 (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Rolf, aka Donald F at SV Wiki.[reply]

LOL, what are you talking about? Scandinavia has the most relaxed drug policies in the world, to the point that Norway lets heroin users drug themselves on the streets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.38.210.221 (talk) 15:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-doping bloat and implied POV on "detection methods" and "known cases'

Cases? As in medical cases, which should be the meaning on this pharmacology page; not a focus on so-called "doping" cases, which should be in one of the Category:Doping articles, not here. Similarly the "detection methods" clearly shows pro-doping POV and an emphasis on this drug's use in sport not in medicine.....174.118.72.88 (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Milliter what?

The article states that Nandrolone may be present in the body in 'quantities of less than 0.4 ng/ml'. Millilitres WHAT? Blood? Bile? Tears? The entire body, as rendered down into a liquid? The statement is, to say the LEAST, very unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.57.53 (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the statement because it was vague and unreferenced. -- Ed (Edgar181) 21:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Offered Routes of administration lack only due to abuse worries or financial interests?❓

Testosterone and Nandrolone are chemically extremely similar, T may have broader use against many kinds of man's weaknesses, while only an a bit more specific strength-weakness combination makes N useful 💉 In view of the section Routes of administration in T's and N's Wiki articles, T is offered as medication in many "forms", also as gel or creme to prevent injection needles with their necessary and more expensive efforts for preparation and desinfection, see also Fear of needles. But N has there only the offer as intramuscular injection, so that it seems a bit as it is so rarely demanded that offers beyond the very last emergency form of the medication is for no company profitable 💉 Seeing now the lacking offer has firstly the psychologic effect to me not to focus on using a so rare medication when the anabolic effects are not very urgently needed 💉 But when the three symptoms chronic tiredness and fatigue, chronic low blood pressure and hypersexuality and increased libido appear together then treatment with N is ideal and essential 💉 So only abuse worries (when superficial thinking could sometimes emphasize advantages too much) or financial interests can already diminish and suppress the abundance of a medication offering?? --LKreissig (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"Relative affinities (%) of nandrolone and related steroids" table is duped

Relative affinities (%) of nandrolone and related steroids table is found from both Nandrolone and Nandrolone decanoate. It is not a template. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 12:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chemistry

Any chance the diagram could be changed so that only the H in the OH is red? Testosterone does have this OH group, but the OH becomes and OR (where R is a ketone). So only the H is replaced. I'm over-simplifying a little, but the oxygen definitely stays around, so the diagram is a bit confusing. Gjarboni (talk) 21:37, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]