Talk:New Guinea Force

Referencing other Wikipedia Pages?

Can and How? Comparing the Commanders pages has provided the approximate dates of changes. And NGF was I Corps, Austrlian First Army and II Corps at different times.

G'day, a Wikipedia page can be linked to, but shouldn't be used as a citation or a reference. The policy guidance on this is found at WP:CIRCULAR. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks mate - although making that assumption, I just wanted to confirm. I guess when retrieving details from Good Pages means they have good references anyway, so maintaining those. Enderwigginau (talk) 23:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions

G'day, thanks for your efforts on this article so far. It seems to be coming along quite nicely. I've made a couple of minor cosmetic tweaks, and have a few suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

• I suggest adding an infobox. Something like the one used on the Layforce article might be sufficient;
• links: they should usually be piped. For instance I Corps (Australia) should appear as I Corps. This can be achieved through using the following mark up: [[I Corps (Australia)|I Corps]]
• referencing standard: there are a few areas in the article that should have citations added: I've marked a few areas with "citation needed" tags;
• referencing style: the article currently uses a couple of different styles...any are fine, but eventually you should pick one and make it all consistent (only a very minor point at this stage, though)
• images: a couple of images (either of commanders) or forces in action would enhance the article's visual appeal
• narrative flow: try to vary the way in which the prose is written. For instance in the back half of the History section, a number of sentences begin the same way, e.g. "In date blah happened..." I'd also suggest trying to merge a few of the shorter paragraphs

Will get cracking. Re:Referencing - as I have been subsuming relevant references from other articles (while not changing the detail of the information) I have brought across their refs....I was planning on adjusting citations so that they all link correctly to their corresponding reference. Enderwigginau (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

You go out for an hour, and all the citation adjustments you had planned get done.....cheers mate Enderwigginau (talk) 07:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

@AustralianRupert & @Anotherclown - I have adjusted the final citations and referencing to match the standard we're using so I think that is done. And I think I've dealt with the rest of the noted issues. Looks good. Enderwigginau (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Good work. Thanks for your efforts. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Citations

You might find some help in the AOH [1] for the missing citations. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Cheers, will look. Enderwigginau (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Infobox

G'day, I think it isn't quite correct to say that NGF's command structure was 2nd AIF as the 2nd AIF wasn't really a command and NGF had some Militia formations. Did NGF report to I Corps? If so, I'd say that was its command structure. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

NGF WAS I Corp, when it was turned into Australian First Army and relocated to Moresby....so it's technically an Army of the AIF.....And Blamey was 2nd AIF CO and GOC of I Corp/First Army Enderwigginau (talk) 07:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

G'day, not sure I understand. I don't believe that the 2nd AIF wasn't a command structure and certainly not all of NGF's personnel were 2nd AIF. Ack, the 2nd AIF had a "commander" but it did not command formations. The 2nd AIF was more like a branch of service, in my opinion, like the Regular Army and Army Reserve are now. Some soldiers volunteered for the 2nd AIF so that they could serve "outside Australian territory" (i.e. beyond SWPA), others served in the Militia, and some in the Regular Army. Some from both the Militia and Regular Army volunteered for the 2nd AIF...New Guinea Force's personnel were no doubt a mixture of Militia and 2nd AIF, so it isn't right to say it was part of the 2nd AIF. Command structure wise, New Guinea Force probably either reported to one of the armies or maybe direct to AHQ. Anyway, I'll leave it up to you to decide what is best, but the current form with First Army makes the most sense to me. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Yep, Blamey was 1st Army and 2ndAIF GOC when he went to Moresby and looked after NGF Enderwigginau (talk) 12:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

GHD SWPA OpInstNo7

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Enderwigginau (talk • contribs) 12:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=397562&T=PDF

Page 11 of the above link is Op Inst 15, Sect9 of which details the mission of New Guinea Force Enderwigginau (talk) 12:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

There is also a Order of Battle is this series of documents!! Enderwigginau (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Milne Bay and after

Place holder**** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enderwigginau (talk • contribs) 04:55, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Major Engagements

The subsequent major engagements for units under New Guinea Force were the following -

Milne Bay - Aug-Sep42

Main article: Battle of Milne Bay

When forces were fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Trail to prevent the Japanese from reaching Port Moresby, 4th Bde of 3rd Div was sent to Milne Bay in Apr 42 to assist in protection (and expansion) of the airfield and in anticipation of the creation of an amphibious force to defend the coastal approaches to Milne Bay and Port Moresby. Construction of the airstrip commenced on 8 June 1942, with 76 & 75 Sqns arriving in late July. A Japanese amphibious force attacked in an effort to capture the airfield, but miscalculated the number of Allied troops and were eventually pushed back into the sea and forced to retreat. The was the first major defeat of Japanese land forces in the region.

Kokoda - July-Nov 42

Main article: Kokoda Track campaign

In late-September, 1942, the Australian forces began pushing the Japanese back toward Buna. The retreat of the enemy forces quickly became a rout, with many falling to , starvation, illness and the environment, not just Australian attacks.

Buna Gona - Nov42 - Jan43

Main article: Battle_of_Buna–Gona

After a disastrous start by the inexperienced US 32nd Infantry Division, the advance was restarted by the Australian 7th Division, with Gona falling in Dec, 1942, Buna in January, 1943, and Sanananda (between the two larger villages) later that same month.

Wau - Jan43

Main article: Battle_of_Wau

Salamaua-Lae - Apr-Sept43

Main article: Salamaua-Lae campaign

Landing at Nadzab - Sept43

Main article: Landing_at_Nadzab

Landing at Lae - Sept43

Main article: Landing_at_Lae

Enderwigginau (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC) Enderwigginau (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

New Guinea campaign Enderwigginau (talk) 04:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Enderwigginau (talk) 09:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Enderwigginau (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC) Enderwigginau (talk) 10:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC) Enderwigginau (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

• Harries, Meirion; Harries, Susie (1991). Soldiers of the Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Imperial Japanese Army. New York: Random House. ISBN 978-0-679-75303-2. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Morison, Samuel Eliot (1949). Coral Sea, Midway and Submarine Actions, vol. 4 of History of United States Naval Operations in World War II. Boston: Little, Brown and Co. ISBN 0-316-58304-9. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Vader, John (1971). New Guinea: The Tide Is Stemmed. New York: Ballantine Books. ISBN 978-0-3450-2223-3. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Enderwigginau (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Major Engagement pages

Thankyou AustralianRupert & Anotherclown for the pages of the major engagements that I've somehow only just noticed.

Enderwigginau (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)