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Flag Ratio: 1:2

...that the Newfoundland Tricolour, a popular but unofficial flag of Newfoundland and Labrador is one of the oldest flags of North America and the oldest flag in the world to use the color pink.

To get top billing in DYK, it will require a picture and a statement that is covered in the article. I would suggest something that will certainly pique the interest of many. How does the foregoing look for a DYK headliner? It doesn't state North America in the article, but it does in Paul O'Neil's book... HJKeats 15:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WOW, that was a quick ride; the article was placed up there for what seemed like a brief stint. HJKeats 15:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irish ancestry/support for the tricolour

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"This is roughly reflective of the proportion of the province claiming Irish ancestry." Recommend this sentence for deletion. It attempts to connect the percentage of Newfoundlanders claiming Irish ancestry and the percentage supporting the use of the tricolour as the provincial flag, purely on the basis of numerical similarity arising from unrelated questions in two unrelated surveys (an opinion poll and a census). As such, it's subjective/speculative and a spurious correlation. Otherwise, if you want to take the anecdotal route, you may be better off characterizing it as a townie/bay divide, more than anything else. 69.46.127.7 (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pink/Rose as Catholic

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The article identifies "rose" as a liturgical colour of the Catholic Church apparently as evidence it would not represent the Protestant population, but rose is also a liturgical colour of many Protestant traditions including Church of England.Delaneysteve (talk) 18:25, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article actually says 'pink', which is never a liturgial colour for the Catholics. Rose yes. What's the difference? not really, so why does the word 'pink' get in here? To match the name of the flag? Reads like either original research or unsourced research.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removed

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I've removed this:

Similarly, it is not uncommon in Ireland for alternate versions of the official Irish flag with the orange panel replaced by another colour to appear publically as symbols of rejection of English influence and Protestantism. This has led the Irish government to officially and actively discourage the defacing of the official Irish flag, specifically the replacement of the orange panel by another related shade (typically yellow).[1]

It is true that "green white and gold" tricolours with yellow instead of orange were once fairly common, and may still be seen occasionally. But one should not jump to the conclusion that this was ever a deliberate symbolic rejection of Orangeism. Much more likely is simple ignorance of the intended symbolism, or (in the days of homemade cloth flags) the difficulty of finding a colour-fast orange dye. jnestorius(talk) 13:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's Ewan Morris, Our Own Devices, p.63:
In 1926, President Cosgrave had stated clearly in the Dail what the correct colours of the officially recognised flag were, but despite this, the tricolour was often mistakenly believed to be green, white and yellow, rather than green, white and orange. A number of factors probably contributed to this confusion, including the fact that the old green harp flag had often been referred to as the 'green and gold'. It was natural, therefore, that the Sinn F6in tricolour should be referred to as the 'green, white and gold', especially as 'gold' is grander and easier to use in verse than 'orange'. There may also have been some reluctance on the part of Catholics who understood the intended symbolism of the flag to acknowledge the colour of their Orange enemies. However, it seems that many people did not know what the tricolour was meant to stand for. It may have been commonly assumed that there was a connection with the yellow and white papal flag, especially after that flag was adopted by the newly sovereign Vatican State in 1929, the year of the Catholic Emancipation centenary in Ireland.
jnestorius(talk) 10:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Department of the Taoiseach, An Bhratach Náisiúnta: The National Flag, Dublin, Ireland.
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why sic?

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Why is the word 'sic' after the name of the flag? Sic usually indicates a mistake that could be corrected (so that when we see sic we are warned, and look for the mistake)Italic text - here the 'mistakenly presented as' is more accurate, and sic should be removed.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be an effort to have this Latin expression after every mention of this flag. I too was looking for a reason or discussion. Seeing none, I'm tempted to go through and remove them. Ifnord (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I *did* go through and remove those in October, along with a ton of other extremely biased parts. It seems the culprit has come back and put much of it back in. Grovelinghook (talk) 20:16, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Sic is there because "Pink, White and Green" doesn't use the Serial comma. Poydoo (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revision

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I've revised and removed a significant amount of the edits made by 156.57.103.147 over the past year or so. The changes they made were so biased, misleading, and poorly written that the article read like an opinion-piece. I mean, read these opening lines: 

The flag commonly but mistakenly1 presented as the Newfoundland Tricolour, "The Pink, White and Green" [sic]2, is the flag of the Star of the Sea Association3, a Roman Catholic Church aid and benefit organization established in St. John's in 1871 with subsequent branches in other locations. This flag is popular among people who are under the impression4 that it is the Native Flag of Newfoundland. It is not5. It is incorrectly believed by some to have once been the Flag of Newfoundland and Labrador, or more usually, the flag of the Island of Newfoundland. It was not5.
  1. The PWG is the flag that is being referred to when anyone says "Newfoundland Tricolour." The RWG that 156.57.103.147 insists is the 'true' Newfoundland tricolour has not been used in well over a century. I struggle to understand how the PWG is "mistakenly" referred to as the tricolour without contemporary alternatives.
  2. [sic]? What is erroneous about "Pink, White, and Green"? There are no spelling mistakes, no grammar mistakes, and it's an accurate description of the design. [sic] is not just an "I don't like this thing" tag.
  3. No, it's a popular unofficial flag representing Newfoundland, it's culture, and its inhabitants and an important symbol for thousands of people, one that seems to have *originated* from the SOSA, over a century ago.
  4. Two sentences in we're already passive-aggressively insulting our readers.
  5. This is an encyclopedia article, not slam poetry.

How did these edits stay up for as long as they did? As it stood, for almost a year, this article not only insulted the intelligence of anyone who'd care to read it, but was also staggeringly hard to read and yet somehow devoid of meaningful, comprehensible information.

People come here to read about things as they are, not things as 156.57.103.147 thinks they should be. In the future, can we please keep an eye on this article, as well as the others they've edited (such as Flag of Newfoundland and Labrador and Flag of Labrador), to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen again? Grovelinghook (talk) 15:40, 7 October 2019 (UTC)Grovelinghook[reply]

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