Talk:No God but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam

Vandalism

When we put in the stub for 'Islamic Book Stub' as shown below, it alto matically puts this in:

"Resale Zahabia. It is a letter from Imam Jaffer sadeq to Mamoon ur rashid ,regardin way of life and special recipes and guodelines the copy is available in some of pakistans book shopes . resurch is required"

Why?

Robert C Prenic 14:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No god but God

• 1 This concept is arguably the essence of Islam.
• 2 It clearly brings to mind the First of the Ten Commandments of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures.
• 3 Said 1st commandment is: "I am that I am, though shall not have any other god before me."
• 4 Accordingly, it provides the bridge among the three peoples: Jews, Christians, and Moslems. It clearly shows a common belief in the Essential Oneness of God.
• 5 Its young Muslim Iranian author tries to account for the current Dialogue within the Moslim World. And effort to deminish this article buy merging it under another category will merely prove that Noam Chomsky, a World-class philosopher, is correct regarding the exercise of Power in this Information age. I have recently purchased the book, and intend to make a contribution her.
• 6 However, I am currently in the midst of a Major Editors War, among a (single) handful of editers, who are disrupting my ability to perform my services as well as I can.
• 7 I urge all editors who have read this book to report here and support my desire that this excellent book will receive its appropriate independed place of its own. --Ludvikus 20:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Two Senses of Jehad

• This book has, in my opinion, an extremely timely discussion of the concept of Jihad in the world today.

• As my Moslem brothers and sisters know, as well as among those who know, there are two senses of this fundamental notion. One is the one of the terrorists, into which I will not go now.

• The other is the one most Moslems believe in. In English, the closest word is Struggle. And it means, of course, among those who know, a Spiritual struggle - an obligation every Muslem has.

• The young author reports on Iran after his recent return, and on the current debate.

• As I am now in a Wikipedia Editor Struggle myself, I ask that those who know report on the book here and make this a wonderful and beautiful informative article of the highest Wikipedia standards. There is no god but God. Peace. --Ludvikus 20:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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Dr. Aslan?

This article refers to the author as Dr. Reza Aslan. In the Wikipedia article about Reza Aslan, it says he has two masters degrees and is working toward a doctorate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speace (talk • contribs) 15:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:No god but God/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: @harej 08:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): "He writes, (blockquote) the notion that historical context" Why does the quote begin lowercase? If you are quoting midsentence, it should be indicated as such ("[T]he"). Which beckons the question: why is this being quoted midsentence?

   b (MoS): Yes

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): Yes

   b (citations to reliable sources): Yes

   c (OR): No original research

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): Covers the major points.

   b (focused): The reception section is longer than the contents section, which seems to just gloss over the book. Surely more could be said about it? As for the reception section, be sure to include a specific remark from the Muslim world about the book if one exists. Also check to see if Aslan's points have been debated within the academic world.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: There seems to be a lot of positive reviews, but if that's just because there were far more positive reviews than negative reviews, so be it.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.: No edit wars.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): All properly tagged

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions): Yes, though it is interesting that there is no picture of the book. Unless consensus has changed, there usually is a picture of the front cover of books to accompany articles.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• I don't see where the Fareed Zakaria quote comes from; there is no citation for it and I cannot find it in the references provided. Also, I typically like to see a background section to put the book in context of where it came from, who wrote it (currently the only mention is in the lead), why...etc. --maclean (talk) 17:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• • In accordance with both harej's and maclean's points, I'm going to fail this article; there's more work to be done and the writer has retired. Wizardman 03:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 25 October 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus. While BarrelProof's alternative suggestion was interesting and gained some traction, it was contested as well, so I'm reluctant to move it there. No such user (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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No God but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam → No God but God – Per MOS:SUBTITLE. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

That is way too close to There is no god but God (and the fact that it's a very well-known quote is obviously the reason the author chose it). The target should redirect there or to Shahada or Tawhid, not to a particular book (unless it's the Quran). —BarrelProof (talk) 22:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@BarrelProof: The title already redirects to the article about the book (as it has done for years). The issue of whether it shouldn't is a separate question altogether (though additionally, WP:SMALLDETAILS is applicable here). 142.160.89.97 (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

It does, but it obviously shouldn't. That's an extremely famous quote – it is considered most fundamental basis of Islam, a religion with nearly two billion followers. That 2005 book cannot possibly be the primary topic for that phrase. Note also that on the cover of the book, the phrase is "No god but God" (with the first 'g' in lowercase)! —BarrelProof (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

• Move to No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam (with the first 'g' in lowercase), per the cover of the book: I realize that may be contrary to MOS:CT, but this is a proper exception to that general guideline. The lowercase 'g' distinguishes the concept of gods in general from the one god recognized by Islam – i.e., Allah. This is an extremely famous phrase, and the lowercase 'g' is used to convey a meaning. See There is no god but God, Shahada, and Tawhid. Also please look at the cited sources – the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Santa Barbara Independent and the Stanford University press release all have the first 'g' in lowercase. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the target should stay a redirect to the DAB There is no god but God. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - and i'll also use WP:SUBTITLE which doesn't say what you think it does. I'll also support BarrelProof's version as in this case, the lowercase "god" has a completely different meaning when in lowercase and when in uppercase. --Gonnym (talk) 23:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose and oppose No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam. It's a book title and should be treated as such. I don't see a reason to ignore the general formatting rules for titles, unless the proposed title is demonstrably the highest in common use among reliable sources which it is not[1][2][3][4][5][6][7].Flooded with them hundreds 07:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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