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Former good article nomineeOur Chalet was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 30, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
March 31, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee


Architect's name?

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I have a book that gives the architect's name as M. de Sinner, but I notice Our Chalet's website gives it as von Sinner [1]. Anyone know anything more? Kingbird 16:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

von seems to be more common on a web search. Note that von and de both mean 'of' in German and French respectively and that both those languages are spoken in Switzerland (though German is more common). It could be a matter of a translation that went too far. --Erp 02:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds a probable explanation. I think I'd trust the Our Chalet website over my book in that case, so I'll change it in the article. It can always be changed back. Kingbird 03:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good article review

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GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (inline citations): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
  7. Pass/Fail:
    a Well written:
    b Factually accurate:
    c Broad in coverage:
    d NPOV:
    e Stable:
    f Images:
    g Overall:

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Review by: IvoShandor


More specific comments

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  • Criteria #1: Well written.
  • Prose:
  • The intro should be a summary of the rest of the article. Rewrite.
  • This sentence: An American Girl Scout leader, Mrs. Helen Storrow (1864-1944), agreed to donate the money for construction and first four years of operation as long as it was built in Switzerland
  • Awkwardly worded, see bolded section. Maybe add a the in there.
  • This sentence: Ida Von Herrenschwand (1887-1961), known as "Falk", and a Swiss Scout,
  • Confusing: is she also a Swiss Scout or also known as Falk and Swiss Scout? Awkward wording.
  • The list in the history section needs to be converted to prose.
  • Avoid "cute" terminology and descriptors, like little house.
  • The WWII section is confusing and doesn't seem to flow well.
  • In general, the prose is not very compelling and could use some work. I recommend Wikipedia:Peer review for a broader perspective.
  • Structure
  • The structuring of this article should be reconsidered. There are too many subsections which could be combined in the history section.
  • Seminars and major events could go together with activity program under simply "Activities" or Actvity programmes.
  • MOS
  • Lead does not conform to WP:LEAD.
  • Delink red links or write the articles.
  • The accommodations section reads way too much like a travel guide. See WP:NOT
  • Jargon
  • Swiss Guide?
  • Black day?
  • World Chief Guide?
  • Juliette Low is referenced far before the section (which should be merged elsewhere, see above) concerning her and the conferences.
  • Criteria #2: Verifiable
  • References
  • Book references are improperly formatted, lack ISBN numbers and the inlines need page numbers.
  • A few more references wouldn't hurt, there is too much reliance on the official site.
  • Inline citations
  • August 24, 1939 is known as the black day for Our Chalet. Need a cite here probably, also why?
  • This sentence: The seminars provide a platform for young women to:[11] share their views and experiences, develop a sense of universal citizenship, enhance their leadership skills, appreciate cultural differences, broaden their international understanding, and prepare for national and international leadership.[7]
  • That is an odd way to format inline citations, put them both at the end of the sentence.
  • Reliable
  • Appears mostly reliable.
  • Original research
  • Looks like its okay here.
  • Criteria #3: Thoroughness
  • Major aspects
  • We are lacking info on the present and the 21st century in general
  • Who uses this place mostly?
  • What is its significance within scouting in general?
  • What makes this place unique, are there others like it?
  • What about its architecture? Or its historic status?
  • Focus
  • Passes.
  • Criteria #4: NPOV
  • Fair representation
  • "Major events" is highly subjective terminology.
  • Terminology like "world class" is subjective.
  • All significant views
  • It really does seem to come from a pro-scouting viewpoint, although some care seems to have been taken to avoid to much POV. Be careful with flowery language or any language that tends to make the location "look good."
  • Criteria #5: Stable
  • Passes this criteria.
  • Criteria #6: Images
  • Tags/captions
  • Fair use images all lacked a detailed fair use rationale.
  • Image:OurChalet.jpg This image could be easily replaced with a free use image. I am proposing it for deletion.
  • Image:RopeBridgeOurChalet.jpg: borderline for FU, am considering deletion as this could probably be easily replaced with a free use image that you or someone else took.
  • Lack of
  • NA
  • Free use
  • Should do what you can to get free use images here.

IvoShandor 08:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Response I've gone through this the best I can right now and worked it. A few comments: much of the info ends in 1999 because that's when the book I have (yes I own a copy) ends-they haven't answered my requests for more info, WP:PR is an option but generates few responses these days, but I'll give a try, the book I have doesn't have an ISBN number-for whatever reason. Thanks for the tips. Rlevse 12:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WAGGGS Centers

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They are already in the lead and linked and hence don't go in see also. Gilwell is the boy scout equivalent of Our Chalet.Rlevse 11:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Anne Hyde Choate

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The problem of Anne Hyde Choate versus Mrs. Arthur Choate is that anyone looking at newspapers and other sources prior to the late 1960s/1970s will have to know the Mrs. Arthur form. I did actually find a better source on Anne Hyde Choate in "Dictionary of American Biography, Supplement 8: 1966-1970. American Council of Learned Societies, 1988."[2] (the web reference is probably protected, I have access because my university subscribes). She was born 1886, joined Girl Scouts as a leader in 1915 (her mother was a friend of Low), 1917 she became a national vice-president, second national president from 1920-1922, chaired the Juliette Low World Friendship Committee from 1927-1955. Died in May 1967. We may have enough for her to have her own article.--Erp 03:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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