Talk:P̃

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Can we narrow down exactly who invented it, and when? The earliest I've seen it is 1887, but it's certainly older. --Ptcamn 08:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation???

Is this symbol sound like "pya"? — This message is issued from Loop 101 Dead!. If you have any questions, send it to my talk page. 03:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

P̃ → P with tilde — Per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Special_characters. This diacritic combination can't be displayed properly for the vast majority of users. --Ptcamn 11:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC) —Ptcamn 11:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose for consistency with Ã, Ñ, etc. I don't see how they "can't be displayed for the vast majority of users", it works fine for me, and I use a Western computer that cannot display Japanese/Chinese letters and the like. Mel sa ran 11:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Melsaran and my position that articles should not be moved simply to conform with technical limitations some users might have, especially when those limitations can be easily solved by an upgrade.--Hús ö nd 18:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If they can be "easily be solved by an upgrade", please tell me what upgrade specifically. Unlike Melsaran I can in fact display Japanese/Chinese, as well as Runic, Gothic, Tibetan, all sorts of stuff. Yet I can't display this.

I don't think this is a limitation "some users might have", but a limitation most users will have. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) specifically says "For now, use only precomposed characters. Avoid using combining diacritical marks." --Ptcamn 18:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)P[reply]
I don't think most users have that limitation. Your problem is probably browser-related. Try opening P̃ with another browser (a recent version preferably) and see what happens. If you still can't see the letter then it's probably something you didn't install or upgrade in your operating system. Whatever it is, it's a limitation that can be solved with appropriate technical support.--Hús ö nd 19:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then let's change it back when you've determined all of those users have completed their "easy" upgrade. What a terrible show of disrespect for the reader. —Michael Z. 2007-08-16 19:40 Z
Where did that come from? Egad. Hús ö nd 20:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Titles are the names of things, not the things. Only the simple letters of the alphabet (A, B, C) spell their own names in English, others have names like "E with acute accent", or "E-acute" for short. This is easily confirmed with any dictionary, which lacks a headword called P̃. Additionally, the tilde is almost unreadable above a capital P, and when it appears in categories and lists is unpronounceable by the vast majority of English-language readers. —Michael Z. 2007-08-16 19:45 Z
- Do you want to change the title of Ñ and Ã as well? Mel sa ran 10:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'm experiencing no difficulty here, and I have to agree with Husond. You can upgrade to the latest version of IE or Mozilla anytime you want. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 22:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and User:Mzajac's comments. While I may have the latest browsers and language support, not all Wikipedia users do and some who do (Big5 or GB users) still can't read P̃. All of the letters at Category:Cyrillic_letters are listed by their names and it doesn't seem to cause huge problems. — AjaxSmack 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per Melsaran Reginmund 06:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Titles of articles should be readable to everybody; so readers can tell where they are. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 11:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]