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Not the same individual

The urang sini literature (refers to the indigenous Seruyan people) states that Kjai Ngabei Djaja-Negara (EYD: Kyai Ngabei Jaya-Negara) and Djaja-Negara (EYD: Jaya-Negara) are not same person. According to urang sini, "Djaja-Negara" is just a nickname, not his real name. The real names of these two people have never been recorded or known, and what is known is their nickname. Then, there is the word Ngabei which distinguishes the titles of the two of them. Furthermore, look at the use of the titles claimed for them, where Kjai Ngabei Djaja-Negara and Djaja-Negara received different titles. Kjai Ngabei Djaja-Negara received the titles Assisten Kjai and Hoofd van Pemboewan, while Djaja-Negara received the title Hoofd van Pemboewan en Semboeloe . Of course this is all original research and primary sources, so it could never be included in an article (unless someone magically writes a book on this). Salam Alaykum ▪︎ Fazoffic _{( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ)} 10:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]