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"Approachment"

Hi Governor Sheng. I have just copy edited this. A fine little article. One problem: in the final sentence "With Sheng's approachment to...", "approachment" is the wrong word. I can't change it because I don't know what you are trying to say. I suspect that you mean "rapprochement", which is the act or process of getting closer or nearer together, usually in a diplomatic sense. But possibly you were trying to convey another meaning? Could you let me know. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. Sheng eventually established closer relations with the Chinese Central government and abandoned the Soviet Union. Thank you very much for copy editing. --Governor Sheng (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 08:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 08:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Governor Sheng: Passing now. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:42, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology

I think it does not suit this online encyclopedia well when references are added that do not suit the referenced item. This organisation was an anti-imperialist one, as the name recalls it. Xinjiang was never meant to become Soviet or Socialist – the Soviet leadership knew that it first had go through capitalist development and then maybe become socialist. As Bruno De Cordier describes it, the Soviets wanted Sheng to stick to the Nanking government and develop the region. In the end, Sheng did what they more or less always wanted. The CCP was a different organization with a distinct character. Why should they establish two different communist parties? -- Derim Hunt (talk) 11:14, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The USSR did not establish either. When the CCP became a reality, the USSR still supported the Kuomintang which still had a good relationship with the soviets. Furthermore, this is what ideology Sheng said his party had, not decisions others made for him! The letter from Sheng specifically describes his ideology the way i added it, that is all that matters! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know about the Kuomintang policy of the USSR leadership from 1945 until 1949. No news for me. I know that Sheng claimed this in his letter (to the Soviet masters who had put him in charge). What else should he have said? That he is a Nationalist. In his Six Policies he wrote, that the country has to evolve anti-imperialist and as you can read in De Cordier's article, the region only evolved along pro-industrialist, anti-imperialist and non-communist lines. Now, please stop your vandalism unless you have some modern scientific sources substantiating your ahistoric claims. Derim Hunt (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you raise valid points which do not fall under vandalism, ~~but you are also in violation of WP:3RR~~. Kindly stop editing now until consensus is reached. If you are stuck, be reminded that you may ask for mediation or a Request for Comments (RfC). Pilaz (talk) 11:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input, Pilaz. I totally agree: We should leave it as it is right now, wait for Vif12vf/Tiberius to substantiate his claims with credible sources and ask for mediation or a Request for Comments (RfC). Derim Hunt (talk) 15:18, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Derim Hunt: Another possibility is to create an Ideology section in the article and represent both views, while respecting WP:DUE. Still, I noted that Vif12vf/Tiberius puts forward the letter from governor Shicai Sheng to Stalin & Molotov as adherence to communism, but the letter is a primary source. As WP:PRIMARY states, any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. So it would still need a secondary source to explain or analyze the meaning, and I don't think the Wilson Center's 56-word summary of the document is enough. Pilaz (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this clarification, Pilaz. So far, Vif12vf/Tiberius has not responded. I think, we can now leave it as it is. Derim Hunt (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to the discussion. I just wanted to notify you guys that I have deleted "anti-imperialism", as Sheng's Six Great Policies already include it within themselves. Perhaps there exists a better way to explain the Association's ideology in the infobox, as the general public is unaware of what do Six Great Policies stand for unless they read the whole article. --Governor Sheng (talk) 19:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]