Talk:Petra Kandarr

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Requested move 10 April 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Don't see general agreement to rename this article to the subject's birth surname. It would hinge on the COMMONNAME found in reliable sources. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, args can be strengthened and in a few weeks we can continue to attempt to garner consensus if editors so wish. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (closed by page mover) Paine Ellsworth ^put'r there 00:45, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Petra Kandarr → Petra Vogt – all of subject's accomplishments, leading to her notability as a world-class track-and-field competitor, were achieved under her birth name, Petra Vogt, which redirects here, not under her married name, Petra Kandarr. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 21:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Absolutely. Only notable under her maiden name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NAMECHANGES. The only source in the article, from last year, refers to her under her married name. She did not become a different person when she got married; the article's scope includes both the time as a competitive athlete and her subsequent life, even if we have little content on that at the moment. Her notability is transferred to her new name, and if newer sources refer to her as Petra Kandarr, we should retain that title. I am uncomfortable with the idea that her notability is "attributable" to time under one name or the other. It seems like there should be an explicit discussion of this somewhere in our guidelines, but I can't find anything beyond WP:NAMECHANGES, perhaps because Wikipedia biographies are so heavily weighted toward male subjects. Dekimasuよ! 19:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It may be noted that the use of maiden names for Olympic competitors is very common within main title headers of their articles (Tenley Albright, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, Cathy Rigby, etc). Even if they subsequently use their married names in their daily lives and are no longer international celebrities, the basis for their celebrity was established under their maiden names and they would be unrecognizable under their married names. Redirects, of course, attend to such circumstances, but married names should redirect to the famous maiden names, not the other way around. In some cases, such as Shawn Johnson East, the athlete may use a triple name to include both the famous maiden name and the married name and exceptions are always made for those whose celebrity continues under their married names. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peggy Fleming is the only one of these examples I have had time to look at so far, but it appears that she has continued to be active under her maiden name after marriage, and is referred to as "Peggy Fleming" in recent reliable sources. In fact, I cannot find any evidence that she changed her name, professionally or otherwise, when she was married. I am looking at sources like this from last year from Team USA and this from the 1980s, SI and this from the 1990s, NYT and peggyfleming.com. Of course, when reliable sources continue to use the maiden name, and the subject continues to use the maiden name, we should continue to use the maiden name. But when reliable sources shift their usage, we should too. I do not agree with the blanket statement that "married names should redirect to the famous maiden names." Dekimasuよ! 11:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Tenley Albright works under her maiden name as a medical doctor. It is not clear whether her name was legally changed, but she has continued to be active under her birth name, so the situation is clearly different from the case at hand. Cathy Rigby is self-listed as Cathy Rigby McCoy on some of her external sites, but not as Cathy McCoy. I did not check secondary sources, but again, the situation differs from the case of Petra Kandarr. Dekimasuよ! 10:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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