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On 12 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Pomona station (California) to Pomona–Downtown station. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 3 January 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure). sst ✈ 08:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Downtown Pomona station → Pomona station (California) – Referred to by Amtrak as "Pomona" station, called "Pomona Transit Center" (not "Downtown Pomona Transit Center") by Foothill Transit, and only inconsistently referred to "Downtown Pomona station" (or "Pomona-Downtown station") by Metrolink (Southern California). Based on all of this, and WP:USSTATION, I'm arguing that current title is an awkward title search target, and that Pomona station (California) is the best "disambiguation title" for this train station article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Weak support. I've always found this to be an awkward form of disambiguation. Metrolink gives a referenced disambiguation, so I was always content to leave it alone. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the current title is that it's awkward: I'm pretty sure that most of the people searching for this specific Pomona station on Wikipedia aren't going to think to put the "Downtown" part in front – and I'll bet that's true even of people who use Metrolink! But the other part is the Metrolink itself is somewhat inconsistent with what it calls this station (and no one else aside from Metrolink uses the "Downtown" part). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"No one else" but Metrolink needs disambiguation. But I am giving you support, if you feel the need to move this again. So why are you arguing with me? Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. WP:USSTATION and WP:NCDAB prefer natural disambiguation. "Downtown Pomona" is used by Metrolink to distinguish this station, as well as by some reliable secondary sources, so it is a reasonable title to use in regard to the various guidelines on disambiguation, titling, and searching. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 00:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, the proposed title (i.e., "a train station in Pomona, California") would be more ambiguous than the current one, as there are two train stations that it could refer to. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 19:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, because it looks like there are two names for this station: "Downtown Pomona" (Metrolink) and "Pomona, CA" (Amtrak). There is a source for the Metrolink disambiguation in the article, but the Amtrak name is also mentioned in Amtrak sources. It can go either way, though the Pomona (North) station of Metrolink is already sufficiently distinguished from this one. epicgenius (talk) 00:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning support, for now. The natural disambiguation argument hinges on how recognizable it really is. I'm seeing very few reliable secondary sources that use "Downtown Pomona station", and those that do often just use it descriptively (the station in Downtown Pomona).[1][2] Meanwhile, many sources use "Pomona station" referring to this station[3][4] (and for other topics, hence why disambiguation is needed.) --Cúchullain ^t/c 20:13, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Note: There is a second "Pomona station" in California, but it is sufficiently disambiguated at its current title, Pomona (North) station, so I'd argue that the Pomona (North) station article should stay at its current title. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: don't forget about Pomona (Manchester) Metrolink station too. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 17:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note I have placed a notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (US stations)#Discussion at Talk:Downtown Pomona station. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 00:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Former services?

Why is the sunset limited former service listed? Why just mention that the Alhambra station was formerly served by the Sunset Limited 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:A8F4:674D:5138:DC4D (talk) 06:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 07:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pomona station (California) → Pomona–Downtown station – Similarly to Riverside–Downtown station, since this station is moreso primarily served by Metrolink trains, would it make more sense to name this article in accordance to Metrolink naming? This would also provide natural disambiguation versus all the other Pomona station articles. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 05:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Trains has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree per nom. -MJ (talk) 04:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

sbx

should the article be updated to include the SBX terminal? https://www.gosbcta.com/project/west-valley-connector-brt/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:5000:E9D2:8C9:A639:F329:1683 (talk • contribs)

It's already discussed in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best name for this article?

I know I'm guilty of having already initiated a move request, but I'm having some doubts about what would genuinely be the best name for this article and wanted to put them to rest for good. I'm not necessarily filing this as a move request per se, since we may just end up agreeing with preserving the current name as the best option ("Pomona–Downtown station"). I'm stuck between which of the three (more like the latter two) names of the station to use, but I guess I'll list my thoughts on each:

Pomona station (California) – Name decided by a prior move request before mine over "Downtown Pomona station", would be in line with other Amtrak station article names (ex: San Luis Obispo station), however may be potentially confounding with Pomona–North station, though the distinguish template may be used. Overall my second preferred option.
Pomona–Downtown station – Official Metrolink name for the station and also in line with other Metrolink station article names (ex: Ventura–East station, Burbank Airport–North station, Ontario–East station), provides WP:NATDIS since no other station is named as such, very clear distinction from Pomona–North station, probably the one most in line with WP:COMMONNAME. The station is also serviced more by Metrolink than Amtrak. Overall my most preferred option.
Pomona Transit Center – The newest contender for me. Would be in line with other stations with "official names" with "Transit Center" in them (ex: San Bernardino Transit Center, Fullerton Transportation Center, Irvine Transportation Center). Probably fails WP:COMMONNAME and also suffers from the same confounding issue with "Pomona station (California)". However, the station also appears to be a major bus hub. Overall my least preferred option.

Thoughts? OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current title of Ponoma–Downtown station is best. It's unambiguous and is used by the primary operator. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]