Talk:Ponton (car)

The Pobeda, the Vanguard

May be the first "ponton" ever: Paul Jaray car (early 1920s)

the second car on this picture - [1] (the first is L.For's "Gregoire" fastback). Researches of the "Jaray - Streamline Corporation of America" later influenced Chrysler's Airflow.

also: —Preceding unsigned comment added by DL24 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Pobeda GAZ-M20 seems to be one of the first (even the first ?) serial car with "ponton" body. It went into serial production in 1946, the same year the Cisitalia 202 was introduced (first scatches are dated 1943 - [2] and first prototypes were hand crafted in 1944 - [3]).

However the Cisitalia was not a serial car, it was hand crafted and only 170 units were produced between 1947 and 1952 (article Cisitalia#Cisitalia_202).

Also the British Standard Vanguard went into serial production in 1947.

Both cars are very early examples of serial "pontons", and both are not named in the article. The Pobeda image was removed because of small resolution, but recently I've uploaded several bigger images to the Commons. DL24 (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added Gaz and Vanguard to text and gallery. — Writegeist (talk) 22:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that because the fender-line is still below the hood-line, that these are not a true ponton, but rather a interim step on the way to that style. I think the first mainline vehicle produced with this style was the 1949 Ford. There are images of the 1950 model, with the identical body shell, in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjwagner (talk • contribs) 15:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this called "envelope styling" in English?

I have heard the term "envelope styling" used to describe the body styled as one unit without separate fenders (wings) and running boards. I think I may have read the term in a book on veteran and vintage cars by Cyril Posthumus when describing the styling of the Hanomag 2-10 "Kommissbrot", but I am no longer able to find the book. Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(No indent, since I'm simply following up on my earlier statement.) Online references to the use of the term "envelope styling"

Edmunds Inside Line Features Mercedes-Benz E-Class - Generations - a history of the E-Class claiming that its roots lie in the 180 Ponton, which it describes as having "envelope styling"
The Record.com: Arnolt MG a truly international car - a column on the Arnolt MG, described as having more modern "envelope styling" as opposed to the MG TD on which it was based.
Conceptcarz.com: 1950 Lincoln Cosmopolitan - an article stating that, in 1949, Lincoln had ditched their earlier "pontoon fenders" (ironically meaning exactly the opposite of "ponton" as defined in this article) in favour of "a flowing envelope styling that gracefully drifted down to the rear bumper."

I hope that's enough to prove that the term "envelope styling" means the same thing as the "ponton" styling as stated in this article. No signature (talk) 02:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I propose that Pontoon fenders be merged into Ponton. The content in the Pontoon Fender article can easily be explained in the context of Ponton -- which is a reasonable size where a merger will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. 842U (talk) 13:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I support the merger. The "fender" article has no references and is not needed with the more complete "automobile" article. CZmarlin (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it. Pontoon fenders are what make a ponton car not a ponton car. In other words, a car with pontoon fenders is not a ponton car. So, I say this should not be here. VERY confusing. Flight Risk (talk) 03:41, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, (according to the article) subsequently slab sided fenders became known as pontoon fenders and were on ponton cars? If so, what were the original pontoon fenders (teardrop type) called? Flight Risk (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed merger has evidently taken place, and this discussion should probably be archived ? --GeeTeeBee (talk) 09:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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