Talk:Proletarian Military Policy

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Was the PMP not a policy of the Fourth International? --Duncan 18:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, adopted by the Emergency Conference in New York in May 1940.Haldraper (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV - suggests PMP was was for an allied defeat of Axis.

Hi there. I think today's edit is misleading. It suggests that Socialists previously opposed imperialist wars, but did take sides in the Second World War because of the threat of physical extermination of the labour movement. That is not the Trotskyist position, and was not the basis of the PMP. The PMP argues that socialists should go with the call up in order to stay close to the workers - and not as a way to taking sides against the threat of fascism. The PMP, after all, was endorsed while the USSR was in a block with Hitler. --Duncan (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan, sorry but you're missing/misunderstanding the point here. The 'new policy' as Cannon called it, as opposed to the 'old policy' which he referred to as 'left anti-militarism' in his 1940 Chicago speech, was not 'that socialists should go with the call up in order to stay close to the workers'. The opponents of the PMP such as the Shachmanites in the US and the RSL in Britain agreed with that policy and went with the class into the armed forces to carry it out, with some success in Egypt and Italy as I'm sure you know. Their disagreement with their comrades in the SWP/WIL was whether raising the demands for state funding of trade union miltary funding etc was class collaborationist, a concession to Allied propaganda rather than an attempt to transform the imperialist war into a revolutionary one.Haldraper (talk) 07:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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