Talk:Rinderpest

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Error?

In 1899, cattle were infected with a bacteria-free filtrate. Dr. Walter Plowright was awarded the World Food Prize in 1999, for developing a vaccine against rinderpest. The FAO predicts that with vaccination the cattle plague will be eradicated by 2010[6].

Is 1899 correct? I can't tell, because I don't know what to search for. From the tenor of the paragraph, I suspect it's wrong... --DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 17:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, well, that part of the text wasn't added by myself, but it seems pretty correct, considering that all kinds of experimentation was going on since the 18th century... But yes, that should be fact-checked and preferably expanded. Random Nonsense 01:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list of symptoms listed "tenesmus" as a symptom of rinderpest. There is no plausible way by which a cow could be determined to have a sensation of needing to defecate or of incomplete defecation; tenesmus can only be detected by taking a medical history from a creature capable of speech, which rinderpest victims were not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.34.140.164 (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Past-Tense

Should this article be put into the past tense in the relevant places (such as "Rinderpest is an infectious viral disease" to "Rinderpest was an infectious viral disease"), now that it has been eradicated? 03jkeeley (talk) 20:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, not if we are guided by the precedent of the Smallpox article, which is in the present case. For smallpox, the virus is still alive in government laboratories, and could be used as a biological weapon. Rinderpest as a weapon is far less likely, but I would presume that the virus still exists in laboratories, but not in nature. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this article, it mentions it as a laboratory virus so it's not totally gone.Imaslee pviking ( talk ) 17:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RPOK

What does RPOK mean? An acronym like that should not be left unexplained in a FA rated article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but note that this article isn't FA rated, it was just in the news section. --86.161.73.164 (talk) 23:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake on the rating, but I still wonder what RPOK means. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Europe

It seems we're missing a huge part of the history here; how and when was it exterminated in Europe? The article spends all this time talking about northern European attacks on the virus, then jumps to PanAfrican and Somalia eradication attempts.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree entirely, in fact I would go a little bit further. It would be intersting to see what the original extent of the disease was (did it extend into Asia for instance), how it was progressively squeezed out until it was isolated (in NE Africa?) and finally eliminated. As it is now, it doesn't even say where this final case (2001) was, althogh the discussion identifies it as Kenya. That said it is an interesting article Baska436 (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

The start of the article says "The last known case of rinderpest was diagnosed in 2001", which makes "In 2008, scientists involved in rinderpest eradication efforts believed there was a good chance that rinderpest would join smallpox as officially "wiped off the face of the planet"." later in the article a confusing sentence. The Scientific American article which is used as a cite for the second sentence says "The last major outbreak was in Kenya in 2001, and the disease's final stronghold was in a small, overlapping area of Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya that the FAO now says appears to have been cleared."[1] which would mean that there were at least suspected cases after 2001. Science is usually a reliable source, but it's behind a pay curtain; can anyone give an exact quote of what it says?--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've not got the Science article, but the Guardian here agrees with Scientific American, says that 2001 was the last confirmed case, but it was thought to have been present in Somalia (emphasis added), which would make it seem like there were unconfirmed reports or something. I'd suggest leaving the bit out of the lead and expand on it later in the article, where's there's more room to try to explain the discrepency. C628 (talk) 23:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant section of the Science article:

The virus was last detected in 2001 in wild buffaloes in Meru National Park in Kenya, which lies on the edge of the Somali ecosystem, the putative last remaining reservoir. For several years, studies in the region have detected antibodies to the rinderpest virus in cattle, but Roeder suspects that this comes from sampling older cattle still carrying antigens from long-ago vaccinations.

also

A disease once endemic throughout Eurasia and Africa has almost certainly been eradicated save for the Somali pastoral ecosystem that straddles the borders of Kenya, Somalia, and Ethiopia. And the latest field-surveillance results, now being reviewed by experts, suggest the virus is gone from there as well.

I think the lede is correct as written (the key word is *diagnosed*), but may be misleading. Perhaps phrasing it as "The last confirmed case of rinderpest was diagnosed in 2001" would be better. -- 140.142.20.229 (talk) 23:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done the rewording, seems like a reasonable suggestion, didn't touch anything else. C628 (talk) 23:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rinderpest was an infectious viral disease...

Apparently it's been wiped out, anyone want to update the article? I'm terrible at Wikipedia editing. Here's the source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/health/28rinderpest.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.102.13 (talk) 08:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The fifth plague of Egypt described in the Hebrew bible

The fifth plague of Egypt described in the Hebrew bible is not regarded to have been cattle plague. The Bible mentions a wide spectrum of animal species that were severely affected and died due to the "very grievous murrain," namely, "cattle which is in the field, horses, asses, camels, oxen and sheep" (Exodus 9:3). In fact. Rinderpest does not affect horses, asses and camels.

Source: A.Shimshony. "Rift Valley Fever Caused the Fifth Plague of Egypt and That of 1977." Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Sept 19, 1986 - Vol 256, No 11, p 1444.

79.177.173.82 (talk) 06:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Bacterial diseases

Its a serious threat na guys.... Induja99 (talk) 04:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"1900s"

This article makes lots of mentions of the "1900s". I would normally parse that as meaning the decade 1900-1909, but from the context it actually means "20th Century". Would it not be better to write that, to avoid ambiguity? Iapetus (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rinderpest eradicated in wild animal population?

After reading the article, I'm at a loss as to how the existing and ongoing infection of wild animals was eradicated. I can understand how herds of domestic cattle were vaccinated, but the many types of wild animals in Africa that are/can be infected by Rinderpest wern't vaccinated. So how is the disease thought to be eradicated? It would improve the article to explain this apparent inconsistency.--TGC55 (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think about this too, maybe even smallpox still circulated among non-contact tribes in jungles, or long war-laden countries as Somali... Ultima Thulean (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

This is what I get as a top Google return for rinderpest. It has 100 citations.

Barrett, T; Rossiter, PB (1999). "Rinderpest: the disease and its impact on humans and animals". Advances in virus research. 53: 89–110. doi:10.1016/s0065-3527(08)60344-9. PMID 10582096.

This seems to be a narrative of early history not otherwise cited here.

Pastoret, Paul-Pierre; Yamanouchi, Kazuya; Mueller-Doblies*, Uwe; Rweyemamu, Mark M.; Horzinek, Marian; Barrett, Thomas (17 December 2005). "Rinderpest — an old and worldwide story: history to c. 1902". Rinderpest and peste des petits ruminants : virus plagues of large and small ruminants. Academic Press. pp. 86–104. doi:10.1016/B978-012088385-1/50035-6. ISBN 978-0120883851.

This 770-page, 2003 book seems to be an attempt at a full history. It is listed on this article in the "further reading" section but not currently cited anywhere. Used copies are selling for US$120, so perhaps the reason why editors have not used this book is that it is difficult to access.

Spinage, C.A. (2003). Cattle plague : a history. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers. ISBN 978-0306477898.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

map

I've removed the map to here. It contradicts the article e.g. in showing Mauritania as one of the last two states, after eradication from Sudan; the blurb even says "The last case was recorded in Mauritania in 2003", whereas we say it was Kenya in 2001 and don't even mention Mauritania. Much of Eurasia is also wrong if our article is to be believed. — kwami (talk) 07:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Year of the last reported Rinderpest case". Our World in Data. Archived from the original on 22 February 2020. Retrieved 5 March 2020.

[1] "Year of the last reported Rinderpest case". Our World in Data. Archived from the original on 22 February 2020. Retrieved 5 March 2020.

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