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I've noticed a trend in news reports on the naming of the bridge for assertions (without qualification) that this is the "first Liffey bridge to be named after a woman". To ensure that these reports don't influence editing here (as seemingly they have done on related articles), I want to clarify something. While it is telling and disappointing that this is the first bridge to be named for a woman in modern times, and within the immediate city environs, it is not true to imply that it is the first on the river anywhere or ever. Anna Livia Bridge (granted outside the city-proper and named for a fictional/mythological person) has been so-named since the 1980s. Closer to the city there's Sarah's Bridge (Islandbridge), and within the city-proper others have been named or associated with Queen Victoria, Queen Maebh, or Charlotte of Mecklenburg. So, while it is telling that this is the first bridge in the city-proper that modern authorities have named for a (real/non-fictional/non-imperial) woman, "first ever over Liffey" (without qualification) isn't strictly correct. </endPointlessMonologue> Guliolopez (talk) 15:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Might be only CURRENT - but NOT the first

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As above, it is genuinely disheartening that the state is so "male-centric" that it is uncommon to see the societal contributions of women celebrated in the naming of buildings, bridges, etc. However, I am struggling with the blind assertions by media (and - worse still - repetition in the project) that Rosie Hackett Bridge is the "first bridge in the city" or "first on the Liffey" to be named for a woman. As above, it just plain isn't true. It may be the first by the modern state in the immediate city bounds, but the unqualified statement isn't factually correct. If we feel the need to add a note, appropriate qualifiers might include "first by modern state in immediate city", or "first by modern state for historical female figure", or "CURRENTLY only in immediate city centre", etc. Without those qualifiers we come accroper (and do disservice) to Sarah Fane, "Anna Livia", and various Queen's or Queen's Consort (whether actual, mythical or otherwise). As per table:

Current bridge name Associations of past name(s)
Rory O'More Bridge Queen Victoria
Islandbridge Sarah Fane, Countess of Westmorland
Mellows Bridge Charlotte of Mecklenburg, Queen Maeve (mythical/legendary)
Anna Livia Bridge Isuelt, Anna Livia (granted mythical/fictional)

I know RTÉ, Indo, Journal, et al will care more about the "soundbite" than accuracy. But I have seen other (more academic) sources start to reassert the claim. But - if we're to repeat a variation here - it would be great if the project could aspire to accuracy over "soundbite". </endRepeatedRant> Guliolopez (talk) 23:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So did they move it or not?

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The article said that some people pointed out problems with placing it close to O'Connell bridge, but then doesn't say if these people were listened to or ignored. From pictures[1], it seems to be more than 100 metres from O'Connell bridge. Did those complaints result in any change of the position? Is this distance far enough to satisfy those who complained? Or did they go ahead and build the bridge on the site those people were unhappy with?

The pictures also show a van on the bridge, but the article says no vans are allowed. Maybe those pictures were taken during construction and it's just a stationary van of the builders? Gronky (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.
RE: Position. It didn't seem to me that it needed precise clarity (in the "project got approval" sentence) that the project that was approved was the one to build a bridge between Marlborough and Hawkins street. (As it was hardly going to be moved 100 metres further downstream where there weren't any streets to connect to...) In any event, I've added the clarity anyway. (to state "project and location got approval").
RE: Van. The picture was taken during construction. As per the caption. The bridge was closed off at the time (unsurprising given that it was only opened yesterday). The van belonged to construction crews. I don't think we need to add a note or update the caption specifically pointing this out. If someone can take additional/better photos, that'd be great. (The ones I added were fairly crappy - light was bad, sun was low, was a camera phone, and I was on my way home and didn't have time to get a decent position). Would be delighted if someone else could take better photos in the summer - ideally ones that don't have any (apparently) confusing vehicles in them :)
Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 23:01, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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