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Why was the image deleted it was just a crop of Roy Jenkins, Brussels.jpg

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Why is there NOTHING about the fact that Jenkins invented modern multiculturalism and implemented it in the 60's? Is england too ashamed it was one of their countrymen???70.29.109.219 (talk) 05:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He wasn't "one of their countrymen". He was Welsh. Poshseagull (talk) 13:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be slightly deranged. Go and lie down for a while. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 21:31, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Commission President

The infobox said he began his term in August 1977, but the list of Presidents says it began in January that year.--86.176.38.137 (talk) 14:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about claims that Jenkins had a homosexual affair with Tony Crosland at Oxford? PatGallacher (talk) 00:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New biography

Leading on from the post above about Crosland, it would be helpful if someone could update this article to take account of John Campbell's new biography. Of course any coverage of Jenkins' early sex life (in the male-dominated atmosphere of pre-war Oxford) would need to be balanced by his affairs later on with a number of well connected women. IXIA (talk) 10:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After adding 6th for continuity, link has seemed to break.

Not sure how to fix, so I would appreaciate it if someone did so.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspotofbother (talk • contribs) 12:26, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

- Referred to as Welsh in media ^[1]

- Referred to as Welsh in Welsh national media ^[2]

- Born in Wales

- Father was Welsh (can only assume mother was also Welsh)

- At least one pair of Welsh grandparents also (possibly both)

- Obituary refers to him as "Welsh" ^[3]

Nationality should state: Welsh, Citizenship should state: British

14:55 orginal edit TG11TG15 (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what Jenkins said in Michael Cockerell's television documentary A Very Social Democrat: A Portrait of Roy Jenkins:

I have a strong feeling for Monmouthshire and a certain feeling for Wales as a whole but as I don't believe in assuming mantles which aren't there, to say that I was Welsh in the sense that Lloyd George was Welsh, that his whole culture, his whole outlook, his language was Welsh would be an exaggeration and I don't like exaggerations but coming back here is always an interesting and evocative experience for me.

Coningsby (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on that quote it seems that Jenkins feels both Welsh and British and so I would suggest the following;

Nationality: Welsh & British. Citizenship: British. Would other editors agree on this? TG11TG15 (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

I would prefer to leave it as just British. He said himself that he wasn't Welsh "in the sense that Lloyd George was Welsh". As an MP he sat for constituencies in England and latterly in Scotland but not in Wales. The political, academic and other posts in which he served were entirely at pan-UK level as far as I can see. I think it is just misleading to define him as Welsh. -- Alarics (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

sourcing

The article does seem to depend rather heavily on one source, Campbell's biography. While this may well be the best account, for a major public figure you would think there would be no shortage of other sources. PatGallacher (talk) 02:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/lord-jenkins-of-hillhead-138048.html

[2] ttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/welsh-history-month-roy-jenkins-10227852

[3] .https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Obituary%3A+A+true+statesman%3B+Tributes+to+Roy+Jenkins%2C+a+Welsh+who+died...-a096668132

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