Talk:Russo-Japanese War

References

Do someone know the meaning of inserting references like this ones <ref>{{cite web|url=397|title=INSERT TITLE|last=Esthus|first=p}}</ref>, which shows up on page as "Esthus, p. [397 "INSERT TITLE"] Check |url= value (help)."? I would like to remove them, or at least to comment them out. Carlotm (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

If it's a botched short note of "Esthus, Raymond (1981). "Nicholas II and the Russo-Japanese War". Russian Review. 40 (4)", and other similar refs, the situation can be easily adjusted. Carlotm (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Carlotm: I fixed them so they don't appear broken. They still need to be migrated to use the {{sfn}} template. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe:. Thanks. I did already the migration. Carlotm (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Carlotm: Awesome. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

References - 2

There are three children notes about "Schimmelpenninck van der Oye", but their mother is nowhere to be found. Is someone able to help? Carlotm (talk) 06:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I would hazard a guess that, Toward the Rising Sun: Russian Ideologies of Empire and the Path to War with Japan, by David Schimmelpenninck van der Oye, Northern Illinois University Press, 2006,[1] is the book in question, however I have no way of verifying the references listed for the book. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I found an article on The Russian Review Vol. 67-1 (January 2008), pp. 78-87: "Rewriting the Russo-Japanese War: A Centenary Retrospective".Carlotm (talk) 09:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: maybe I found the mother, at note 47: Schmmelpenninck van der Oye, David (2005). "The Immediate Origins of the War". In Wolff, David (ed.). The Russo-Japanese War in Global Perspective: World War Zero. Leiden, Boston: Brill. p. 42.

Because of a misspelling I overlooked it. What do you think? Carlotm (talk) 23:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

That's likely it. Feel free to verify and normalize the spelling for all of them. Thanks for all your recent edits ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

OK. I'll try. Carlotm (talk) 03:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

References - 3

Can somebody check the legitimacy of citation in note 105, which refers to: Heale, M.J. (April 2009). "Anatomy of a Scare: Yellow Peril Politics in America, 1980–1993". Journal of American Studies. Ronald Reagan has nothing to do with this page's topic, unless there is a precise reference to it, which I am unable to ascertain.Carlotm (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

The above note 105 is now note 101. Carlotm (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

That note is now note 99.Carlotm (talk) 06:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

nichirosenso

What is the literal translation?- Altenmann >talk 05:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

日露 - Nichiro is an abbreviation of Nichi from Nippon (日本) and Ro from Roshia (露西亜); it simply means "Russo-Japanese"

戦争 - Sensou means "war".

70.27.91.71 (talk) 23:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

No, literally it means Japanese-Russian. Anyway, I fugured out all this myself and fixed the lede. - Altenmann >talk — Preceding undated comment added 01:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Suez Canal question

The article includes an unsourced statement:

During the voyage, the fleet separated into a portion that went through the Suez Canal while the larger battleships went around the Cape of Good Hope.

However, there are quite a few sources that mention the canal being blockaded:

"Less than a week out of port, the Russian fleet decided to fire on some British fisherman, near Dogger Bank, who they mistook as Japanese torpedo boats. The British government was understandably incensed and retaliated by closing the Suez Canal to the Russian Fleet." cite

Another:

"The incident almost led to war between Russia and Great Britain. Although it did not, Britain denied Russia access to the Suez Canal, forcing the fleet to sail around Africa, adding thousands of miles to the journey."cite

I also have a Time-Life history book that states the same thing. Thoughts? --Light show (talk) 09:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

It depends. There were ships that did not go through, and instead headed around Africa in November 1904. But it appears the UK let other Russian ships through between November and December of 1904. And then again, a new wave around March 25, 1905. This is according to a graphic which I do not have the source to.Asa3432 (talk) 07:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 FA Article Review notes and discussion

2021 Featured Article Review notes and discussion

To do

• Basic ce
• Submit to GOCE
• Add references (see not from 2017) GA review.
• Peer review at Military History for GA or A rating — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBlue (talk • contribs) 06:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW as explicitly against MOS (non-admin closure) — Twassman [Talk·Contribs] 04:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Russo-Japanese War → Russo–Japanese War – There should be an en dash between "Russo" and "Japanese" in the title, per MOS:ENBETWEEN, which lists as correct examples such as the Uganda–Tanzania War and the Roman–Syrian War. A requested move to en dash occurred about 11 years ago for this article but was denied. I'm not sure if the MoS changed since then, but it seems to me to be consistent with the manual at least now to have en dash, not hyphen. Jonathansuh (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – note that the style page you linked has this example indicating that it's wrong to use the en dash with a "combining form" like Russo:

• Wrong: Franco–British rivalry; Franco- is a combining form, not an independent word, so use a hyphen: Franco-British rivalry

Dicklyon (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose a pointless proposal. Sweetpool50 (talk) 01:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per above comment. Combining forms such as Anglo-, Franco-, Russo-, Sino-, Indo-, etc. use a hyphen. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Its a really pointless change. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 02:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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Infobox strength reference

Just adding here that the reference in question, though it is primarily about WW1, does list the figures stated in this article for the Russo-Japanese War, as shown by this scan: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.%24b744277;skin=2021;sz=25;q1=russo;start=1;sort=seq;page=search;seq=30;num=6 Loafiewa (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: JPN 351 The Japanese Experience of the Twentieth Century

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Montenegro in the list of the combatants?

I believe that this issue has to be addressed once again. Not only because it is a historical fact that keeps being removed for whatever reason, but also because of the fact that several other Wikipedias, namely the Russian one, do list Montenegro as a combatant country in this particular war. It's far from being a national myth, since there is numerous documentation of soldiers being sent to Manchuria from Montenegro to fight the Japanese. The issue is very much treated as a lecture in all history curriculums in Montenegro, so treating it as a pure fallacy doesn't seem to be correct. There also seems to be the argument of volunteers, from other countries that have partaken in this war, but in the case of Montenegro, a proper declaration of war took place.

Having read the archived discussions, it seems to be that the non-inclusion of Montenegro might also be because of someone attempting to push their own narrative. I for one do not see any harm in listing it as a combatant country. The more details this article can provide to the reader, the better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.140 (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@79.140.150.140 Montenegro declared war on Japan, thereby expressing its gratitude for Russia's achievement of the country's independence through its diplomatic efforts following the results of the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878. Nevertheless, due to its remoteness, Montenegro was unable to provide significant assistance to Russia, and its efforts were limited to those Montenegrins who served in the Russian armed forces. At the conclusion of peace, Montenegro was forgotten, and formally it was at war with Japan until 2006. Bishop1776 (talk) 08:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The subject has been addressed several times in previous posts. The answer is always to produce a WP:Reliable source first. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

But Montenegro and Serbia sent generals, Montenegro sent Jovan Lipovac and Serbia sent Arsenije Čarnojević. Also, a soldier named Lekso Saičić killed one of the samurai in a katana duel, you don't see that often, do you? Bokisa6372. (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh my bad Aresenije Karađorđević not Čarnojević Bokisa6372. (talk) 15:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Montenegro confusions

It says the kingdom Montenegro joined the war but when the war was going on Montenegro didn’t proclaim a kingdom yet so wouldn’t it be the principality of Montenegro 2A02:C7C:AC6B:D000:8D5:1799:2CBD:3098 (talk) 11:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Editing sock puppets in the Effects on civilians section

Two blocked sock puppet users[2][3] repeatedly posted false information using multiple sources unrelated to the Russo-Japanese War,[4][5] even after being deleted by other user.[6] If you find similar edits by him, please delete them.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, the same sock user[7] repeated the same edit and I reverted.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 10:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't it be called Japanese-Russian War, if the Japanese started the war? Alex1011 (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Alex1011 Japan started the Sino-Japanese War against China and it's called the Sino-Japanese War. Alexysun (talk) 03:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Need quotations to verify

The mention "need quotations to verify" is mentioned twice where in fact a quote (source) does exist. Are these notes necessary after the source has been inserted, or maybe I have misunderstood what this is asking us to do. Ictinos4 (talk) 19:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I think they just want something to google books search against. Fangz (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)