Talk:Sanātana Dharma

Mess

What a mess, after the Sanātan Dhrama page was created. See also Talk:Sanātan Dharma. I've moved the Sanātan Dharma on Sanatana Dharma to this page - back to where it was a long time ago. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC) −−−−−−−−−−−−−− Many theory found via vedas it says it is the only 1 relegion that created by god. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.124.15.170 (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

First correct the spelling of religion. Harish infinity (talk) 16:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit war over Dharmic Religions

There is an on-going edit-war over whether this subject refers to Dharmic Religions in whole including Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism which have Dharma as key concept. The edit war must stop.

While I restored the content, I have no opinion on including it. I thought I was reverting simple vandalism that had removed what appeared to be a cited statement. Please discuss here and come to a consensus before restoring or removing that content again. Toddst1 (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

The sources are not WP:RS, c.q. misrepresented (Business Standard: For long, Hindu society has looked upon these three religious groups as their own. From theologians to laymen, the refrain that is commonly heard is: They (Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists) are part of Sanatana Dharma. Nothing could be farther from the truth.) and the contested text does not summarize the content of the article; see also this sentence from the body of the article: "Today, Sanatana Dharma is associated only with Hinduism." The suggestion that Sanathana Dharma includes Buddhism and Jainism is typical for Hindu nationalists, as is the term "Dharmic religions." It started with this edit by a user who's blocked now, as are a number of accounts who restored this info. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Not a alternative of Hinduism

Sanatana dharma is different from Hinduism. Hinduism include everyone who consider themselves Hindus whether they are religious/dharmic or adharmic/irreligious who use hindu as a geographical or cultural identity. Meanwhile Samajists like Arya samaj and brahmo samaj are rival of sanatanis who separated themselves from sanatan dharm. They all were united under the umbrella term Hinduism. There are non-sanatani Tribals also who are part of sanatana dharma. Traditionalist or some orthodox religious hindus call their religion as sanatan dharm and they are in large numbers but it doesn't mean sanatan dharm is Hinduism. Hinduism is a totally different concept and identity. Mr.nothing anonymous (talk) 16:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead revision

The original lead said:

Sanātana Dharma (Devanagari: सनातन धर्म, meaning "eternal dharma", "eternal order") many Hindus refer to Hinduism as Sanātana Dharma and it is used in Hindi alongside the more common Hindu Dharm (हिन्दू धर्म).

References

In this edit Reo kwon changed it to:

Sanātana Dharma (Devanagari: सनातन धर्म, meaning "eternal dharma", "eternal order") is an endonym used by Hindus to refer to Hinduism. It refers to the “eternal” truth and teachings of Hinduism. It can also be translated as “the natural and eternal way to live". The term used in Indian languages alongside the more common Hindu Dharma. Sanatana Dharma can also denote the the list of 'eternal' or absolute duties and practices that all Hindus must comply with.

References

I fail to see how "many Hindus" changed to "used by Hindus", and what the WP:SPS citation 2 and Yogapedia are doing here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Sanatana Dharma is a Sanskrit term. Please see - John Zavos (2001) Defending Hindu Tradition: Sanatana Dharma as a Symbol of Orthodoxy in Colonial India, Religion, 31:2, 109-123, DOI: 10.1006/reli.2001.0322. John Zavos's work is already referenced in the article. Can you please update this? Wrythemann (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Almost all Indian languages borrow Sanskrit terms. But they can give them meanings that don't exist in Sanskrit, or at least meanings that would be quite non-standard in Sanskrit. The lead sentence is stating the Hindi meaning. Whether that meaning exists in Sanskrit or not is still under debate. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I am not denying any of your statements but most published sources online call it a Sanskrit term. I am yet to see a publication that mentions its meaning in Hindi. I feel like the lead should be more in congruence to the Encylopedia Britannica's entry. Here's my suggested text:

Sanatana Dharma, a concept in Hinduism, signifies the eternal and universal set of duties and religious practices for all Hindus, irrespective of their social status. These duties include virtues like honesty, non-harm, purity, compassion, and more. It contrasts with Svadharma, which refers to specific duties based on one's class and caste. In modern usage, it also symbolizes Hinduism as a unified global religion, representing timeless truths beyond sectarian divisions. Wrythemann (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

You haven't provided any sources for your text. WP:OR is prohibited on Wikipedia.

I went to Google Translate and entered "सनातन धर्म", asking it to detect language. It detected it as HIndi and translated it to "eternal religion". Then I asked it to treat it as Sanskrit and translate. It translated it as "sanatana dharma". It is a pity that all our combined intelligence cannot match that of Google Translate.

In any case, the current lead is what existed in November 2021, before it got corrupted with lots of WP:OR. It should remain until something properly sourced and scholarly comes along. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

The source for my text is https://www.britannica.com/topic/sanatana-dharma. Isn't using Google Translate WP:OR? Wrythemann (talk) 19:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Google Translate is not a reliable source, but just a reality-check.

Britannica articles on India/Hinduism are mostly based on colonial era scholarship, which we would consider out of date for Wikipedia. Moreover, our lead has to summarise our article, as per MOS:LEAD. Note also that you have called it a "concept", whereas Britannica only mentions it as a "term". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Interestingly the entry on Sanatana Dharma was revised on September 7, 2023. I don't particularly agree with your opinion on the scholarship of Britannica. It's widely cited in most top India-based articles on Wikipedia. India for example does a good job of leaning on Britannica's scholarship. Wrythemann (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2023

My edit request is to change "the alternative word for Hinduism is Sanatan Dharma" to "Hinduism is the alternative name to "Sanatan Dharma" Prachi648 (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The subject of the article is usually the first word of the sentence. Lightoil (talk) 02:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

"Aryan religion"

@Balajijagadesh: diff is problematic for multiple reasons: it's WP:UNDUE; the source in not WP:RS; and the WP:LEAD summarizes the article, which is not the case here. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

The beginning of description is not appropriate

Sanatana Dharma refers to being in-tune with eternal laws. It has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with philosophy. This is why this whole beginning is totally wrong. 2A02:810D:44C0:1EA8:60B4:8E1C:F03A:B197 (talk) 05:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)