Talk:Seditious conspiracy

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Terror conspiracies

Terror conspiracies make seditious conspiracy obsolete? Or irrelevant? 3 Charged With Terror Conspiracy Ahead of NATO

Background section biased? The description of left v radical right conviction rates would appear to contain some bias - perhaps using more neutral language, describing in more detail successful "left" prosecutions, failed "right" ones, and the reasoning behind them? As it stands, this small section appears to lean a little left and look a bit like sour grapes.Ladytetsu (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No legal scholar

I am no legal scholar, but this article might differentiate briefly the difference between prosecution under a) RICO statutes b) Treason statutes c) Sedition (no longer used) d) Modern terrorist statutes

Also why conspiracy is used rather that individual seditious acts.

Oh I changed the statement that said that this statute was exclusively used against PR independentistas, because it is untrue. The statute has been used against Sheikh Khalid Muhammed, Ramzi Yousef, the Hutaree, and other militia. I think "exclusively" is somewhat exaggerated. The statute was used against those who believed in independence, but for actions that took place; in the case of PR, these were independentistas. Also I am not sure this is a political crime. Sedition alone is a political crime. Seditious conspiracy requires the goal of levying war.Rococo1700 (talk) 00:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We can't make changes based on personal POV. The sources in the article contradict your change. Your change violates WP:RS. "I am not sure this is political crime", then you need to write your own book to provide a second published view of what those other published authors do state in their sources. "Almost exclusively" is not only what the source states, but it is also correct: Sheikh Khalid Muhammed, Ramzi Yousef, the Hutaree are only 3 vs. the 16 independentistas indicted. Mercy11 (talk) 11:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

81% is not exactly "almost exclusively".--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are islamists really "left-wing"? Aren't they just as arguably far-right? 2600:1004:B16D:AA57:69B4:EBD4:8161:1B64 (talk) 01:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notable cases - The Trump Presidency

As tweeted by President Trump on February 18, 2019:

Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump · 3h3 hours ago.  “This was an illegal coup attempt on the President of the United States.” Dan Bongino on @foxandfriends  True!

Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump · 4h4 hours ago Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump · 8h8 hours ago ....There is a lot of explaining to do to the millions of people who had just elected a president who they really like and who has done a great job for them with the Military, Vets, Economy and so much more. This was the illegal and treasonous “insurance policy” in full action!

And on February 17th Trump quoted Rush Limbaugh in a tweet directly discussing elements of the Seditious conspiracy

Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump · 23h23 hours ago “These guys, the investigators, ought to be in jail. What they have done, working with the Obama intelligence agencies, is simply unprecedented. This is one of the greatest political hoaxes ever perpetrated on the people of this Country, and Mueller is a coverup.”  Rush Limbaugh

Trump is referring to the Obama Administrations' DOJ and FBI actions leading up to and following the 2016 election. The conspirators: Rosenstein, McCabe, Comey, Lynch, Strozk, Page, Brennan, etc. The misguided efforts meet the definition of a 'Seditious conspiracy' ~ Bought the farm (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some reports on the subject by RS's:

How the two rogue FBI officials explain their text messages about Trump https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/06/14/how-the-two-rogue-fbi-officials-explain-their-text-messages-about-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1d218e51f527 June 14, 2018
McCabe Says Justice Dept. Officials Had Discussions About Pushing Trump Out https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/politics/mccabe-trump.html February 14, 2019
Graham Vows to Investigate Whether ‘Bureaucratic Coup’ Tried to Oust Trump https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/politics/lindsey-graham-face-the-nation.html February 17, 2019
Lindsey Graham Calls for Probe Into 'Attempted Bureaucratic Coup' https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-02-18/lindsey-graham-calls-for-probe-into-attempted-bureaucratic-coup February 18, 2019 ~ Bought the farm (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FBI Lawyer Confirms Rosenstein’s Seditious Conspiracy to Oust Trump Using 25th Amendment https://dailystormer.name/fbi-lawyer-confirms-rosensteins-seditious-conspiracy-to-oust-trump-using-25th-amendment/ February 17, 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bought the farm (talk • contribs) 20:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per the articles' description: "For a seditious conspiracy charge to be effected, a crime need only be planned, it need not be actually attempted." There is evidence that plans were made, and based merely on suspicions and hatred, investigations, discussions and plans were discussed how to remove Trump from his Presidency.

Propose to add content to the article. Let's discuss, form consensus. ~ Bought the farm (talk) 20:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World view template

Seditious conspiracy is a legal term for a specific crime in the United States. I can find no references for it that is relevant to a worldview on the topic. There is, of course, an article on Sedition which does have a worldview. Since there is no discussion on this template, I am removing it.---- Work permit (talk) 16:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Far-right groups" section

Hutaree editing is redundant. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. What are you wanting done here? — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 15:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]